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Top scientists comment on their research into God and aliens

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Let's start with Stephen Hawking.

"To my mathematical brain, the numbers alone make thinking about aliens perfectly rational."

OK. Let's chalk up one supporter of the idea that science proves the existence of aliens. Let's see next whether science also proves the existence of God.
 
marke said:
Let's start with Stephen Hawking.

"To my mathematical brain, the numbers alone make thinking about aliens perfectly rational."

OK. Let's chalk up one supporter of the idea that science proves the existence of aliens. Let's see next whether science also proves the existence of God.
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Saying that 'thinking about aliens' is the same as saying 'aliens are proved to exist' is incorrect. You comprehension skills are deficient. Look at it this way: I can say "It is possible to think that Marke is at least of average intelligence". This can in no way be taken a proof that Marke is, in fact, of average inteligence.
 
Thinking is a rational activity for us. I can, however, think about irrational things, like being in multiple physical places simultaneously. So while thinking may be a rational activity, the content of our thoughts may not be.

It's always wise to remember that in the end, we're the ones, using our own intellect, who are determining what's rational, and what's not. A separate, objective standard that exists apart from us is not possible. Oh, wait. It likely is possible, but that would mean...
 
Sweden said:
Saying that 'thinking about aliens' is the same as saying 'aliens are proved to exist' is incorrect. You comprehension skills are deficient. Look at it this way: I can say "It is possible to think that Marke is at least of average intelligence". This can in no way be taken a proof that Marke is, in fact, of average inteligence.
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Let's ask someone who thinks like Hawking:

Are aliens an acceptable scientific possibility? I would have to assume he would reply, 'Yes aliens are a scientific possibility.'

Let's ask another scientist: Is God an acceptable scientific possibility? What if the scientist responds, "Yes, God is an acceptable scientific possibility." Is God therefore a scientific possibility?
 
humbolt said:
Thinking is a rational activity for us. I can, however, think about irrational things, like being in multiple physical places simultaneously. So while thinking may be a rational activity, the content of our thoughts may not be.

It's always wise to remember that in the end, we're the ones, using our own intellect, who are determining what's rational, and what's not. A separate, objective standard that exists apart from us is not possible. Oh, wait. It likely is possible, but that would mean...
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So, just because some humans have formulated the unverified idea that God is outside the realm of possibility, does that mean God cannot possibly exist?
 
marke said:
Let's start with Stephen Hawking.

"To my mathematical brain, the numbers alone make thinking about aliens perfectly rational."

OK. Let's chalk up one supporter of the idea that science proves the existence of aliens. Let's see next whether science also proves the existence of God.
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Math proves with near certainty the existence of life elsewhere.

There are billions of galaxies with billions of sun type systems with trillions of planets. All made out of the same basic substances. That's a huge equation.
 
marke said:
Let's ask someone who thinks like Hawking:

Are aliens an acceptable scientific possibility? I would have to assume he would reply, 'Yes aliens are a scientific possibility.'

Let's ask another scientist: Is God an acceptable scientific possibility? What if the scientist responds, "Yes, God is an acceptable scientific possibility." Is God therefore a scientific possibility?
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Both are acceptable possibilities.
 
jimbo said:
Math proves with near certainty the existence of life elsewhere.
There are billions of galaxies with billions of sun type systems with trillions of planets. All made out of the same basic substances. That's a huge equation.
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Is that a scientific fact? Then no wonder Crick's scientific explanation for the origin of life on earth involved an alien spaceship and biologic dust from another planet.
 
marke said:
Let's ask someone who thinks like Hawking:

Are aliens an acceptable scientific possibility? I would have to assume he would reply, 'Yes aliens are a scientific possibility.'

Let's ask another scientist: Is God an acceptable scientific possibility? What if the scientist responds, "Yes, God is an acceptable scientific possibility." Is God therefore a scientific possibility?
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Is it a scientific possibility that god is an alien from an advanced culture?
 
Manc Skipper said:
Is it a scientific possibility that god is an alien from an advanced culture?
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That depends on what scientific conclusions can be drawn from the fact of intelligent design, a concept supported by Richard Dawkins, but not by Francis Crick.

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marke said:
Is that a scientific fact? Then no wonder Crick's scientific explanation for the origin of life on earth involved an alien spaceship and biologic dust from another planet.
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There are few, if any, scientific facts. The best we can do is predict probability based on what we observe.
 
marke said:
So, just because some humans have formulated the unverified idea that God is outside the realm of possibility, does that mean God cannot possibly exist?
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It means the limits of our knowledge cannot preclude the possibility of God.
 
marke said:
Let's start with Stephen Hawking.

"To my mathematical brain, the numbers alone make thinking about aliens perfectly rational."

OK. Let's chalk up one supporter of the idea that science proves the existence of aliens. Let's see next whether science also proves the existence of God.
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The possible existence of aliens, and the theological existence of God, are exclusionary topics.
 
marke said:
Let's ask someone who thinks like Hawking:

Are aliens an acceptable scientific possibility? I would have to assume he would reply, 'Yes aliens are a scientific possibility.'

Let's ask another scientist: Is God an acceptable scientific possibility? What if the scientist responds, "Yes, God is an acceptable scientific possibility." Is God therefore a scientific possibility?
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There are hundreds of billions of planets. Some may be similar to earth, there it is possible that life - 'aliens' - may have evolved on them. That's science.

Gods on the other hand are not a scientific concept. Science deal in statements which can be tested by observation and experiment. So no one, scientist or not, should say "Gods

are an acceptable scienific possibility".
 
jimbo said:
There are few, if any, scientific facts. The best we can do is predict probability based on what we observe.
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I believe Hawking was saying that based upon mathematical laws of probability God and aliens must be considered possible realities in scientific debates.
 
humbolt said:
It means the limits of our knowledge cannot preclude the possibility of God.
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Therefore, aliens and God remain possible causes of original life on earth, scientifically speaking?
 
Sweden said:
There are hundreds of billions of planets. Some may be similar to earth, there it is possible that life - 'aliens' - may have evolved on them. That's science.

Gods on the other hand are not a scientific concept. Science deal in statements which can be tested by observation and experiment. So no one, scientist or not, should say "Gods

are an acceptable scienific possibility".
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I do not believe the same science which suggests aliens may have evolved on other planets could justly say at the same time that God never lived on any planet at all at any time.
 
marke said:
I do not believe the same science which suggests aliens may have evolved on other planets could justly say at the same time that God never lived on any planet at all at any time.
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Precisely. You do not believe. Theology deals in beliefs while science is concerned with facts.
 
marke said:
I believe Hawking was saying that based upon mathematical laws of probability God and aliens must be considered possible realities in scientific debates.
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I think you're correct.
 
marke said:
Therefore, aliens and God remain possible causes of original life on earth, scientifically speaking?
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Well, that does not necesarily follow. Thinking about such things does.
 
marke said:
I believe Hawking was saying that based upon mathematical laws of probability God and aliens must be considered possible realities in scientific debates.
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No, that makes no sense from the quote of hawkings you gave in the OP where hawkings only mentions aliens and nothing about a god.

The difference here is that science knows that there is in fact life on earth. therefor it is reasonable to speculate life might occur on other planets, especially if they have similar earth conditions.
Where as there is absolutely no evidence for a god nor can you or anyone else even give a good reason as to why there might be god. God still remains nothing more than a fiction and therefor is of no concern to science.

When you can demonstrate there is a god as scientists can demonstrate life does exist then and only then can you make any claim of science having an interest in what so far remains only your invisible imaginary friend.
 
Sweden said:
Precisely. You do not believe. Theology deals in beliefs while science is concerned with facts.
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Do you believe science forbids humans from believing God or aliens may exist?
 
soylentgreen said:
No, that makes no sense from the quote of hawkings you gave in the OP where hawkings only mentions aliens and nothing about a god.

The difference here is that science knows that there is in fact life on earth. therefor it is reasonable to speculate life might occur on other planets, especially if they have similar earth conditions.
Where as there is absolutely no evidence for a god nor can you or anyone else even give a good reason as to why there might be god. God still remains nothing more than a fiction and therefor is of no concern to science.
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Science knows there is life on earth. How does that justify accepting speculations about invisible aliens while rejecting speculations about the invisible God?

When you can demonstrate there is a god as scientists can demonstrate life does exist then and only then can you make any claim of science having an interest in what so far remains only your invisible imaginary friend.
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marke said:
Do you believe science forbids humans from believing God or aliens may exist?
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The human brain is capable of believing anything as a thousand nutty conspiracy theories illustrate.
 
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