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Top scientists comment on their research into God and aliens

marke said:
Did I get it wrong? How about this then:

Professor to students: 'You will find in the scientific community those who adamantly insist God has no place in science. Don't be bothered by them. Science is not closed minded. We still don't know what sparked the big bang since nothing existed before the bang. That leaves God as a possible cause, if nothing more.'
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Again you contradict yourself. If as you claim nothing existed before the big bang then you really cannot then suddenly insist a god existed. Either it was nothing or there was something. And if you lean towards something then something that caused a big bang is more probable than a god because something did cause a big bang where as so far you have nothing to indicate a god even existed.
 
marke said:
Did I get it wrong? How about this then:

Professor to students: 'You will find in the scientific community those who adamantly insist God has no place in science. Don't be bothered by them. Science is not closed minded. We still don't know what sparked the big bang since nothing existed before the bang. That leaves God as a possible cause, if nothing more.'
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You did get it wrong, yes. Nobody said either of these.

No evidence supports or contradicts the existence of god, because there’s no test you can run to gather that evidence. If you have such a test, scientists would be reeaaaallly interested in hearing about it.

So, the best way to describe it is that science simply has no opinion on god.
 
marke said:
Let's start with Stephen Hawking.

"To my mathematical brain, the numbers alone make thinking about aliens perfectly rational."

OK. Let's chalk up one supporter of the idea that science proves the existence of aliens. Let's see next whether science also proves the existence of God.
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God and aliens is not even the same argument. We know life exists on this planet. We know there are billions of stars and even more planets in this enormouse univerise. We know a large amount of those would have conditions like earth hospitable for life, and even have identified several such planets. The probabability of life on other planets is very large given all those facts

We have no evidence of some magical creatures that created everything. NO such existence of god. So the comparison is not even the same. One has logic, one doesn't
 
soylentgreen said:
Again you contradict yourself. If as you claim nothing existed before the big bang then you really cannot then suddenly insist a god existed. Either it was nothing or there was something. And if you lean towards something then something that caused a big bang is more probable than a god because something did cause a big bang where as so far you have nothing to indicate a god even existed.
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Should teachers tell kids not to consider God as a possible explanation for the origin of the universe and origin of life on earth?
 
Deuce said:
You did get it wrong, yes. Nobody said either of these.

No evidence supports or contradicts the existence of god, because there’s no test you can run to gather that evidence. If you have such a test, scientists would be reeaaaallly interested in hearing about it.

So, the best way to describe it is that science simply has no opinion on god.
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Should teachers tell kids not consider God as a possible explanation for the origin of the universe and the origin of life on earth?
 
Sampson Simpson said:
God and aliens is not even the same argument. We know life exists on this planet. We know there are billions of stars and even more planets in this enormouse univerise. We know a large amount of those would have conditions like earth hospitable for life, and even have identified several such planets. The probabability of life on other planets is very large given all those facts

We have no evidence of some magical creatures that created everything. NO such existence of god. So the comparison is not even the same. One has logic, one doesn't
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You believe science should accept the possibility or probability of aliens but not the possibility or probability of God?
 
marke said:
Should teachers tell kids not consider God as a possible explanation for the origin of the universe and the origin of life on earth?
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Not in a science classroom, no. Only science should be taught in science class.

Do you think cookie recipes should be taught in history class?
 
marke said:
You believe science should accept the possibility or probability of aliens but not the possibility or probability of God?
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Correct, because aliens can be evaluated on a scientific basis, and god cannot.

How would you, marke, suggest I measure god?
 
Sampson Simpson said:
God and aliens is not even the same argument. We know life exists on this planet. We know there are billions of stars and even more planets in this enormouse univerise. We know a large amount of those would have conditions like earth hospitable for life, and even have identified several such planets. The probabability of life on other planets is very large given all those facts

We have no evidence of some magical creatures that created everything. NO such existence of god. So the comparison is not even the same. One has logic, one doesn't
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Let's sum up your arguments: 'We know life exists. We know there is life on other planets. We know there are billions of stars. We know different stars have different environments. And we know there is a possibility if not probability that we may find alien life out there somewhere even if we don't know for sure.'

I'm OK with that. So what again is you opposition to the possibility of finding evidence of God out there somewhere?
 
Deuce said:
Not in a science classroom, no. Only science should be taught in science class.

Do you think cookie recipes should be taught in history class?
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What are you saying, that various theories about the source of the origin of life on earth should not be discussed in science class?
 
Deuce said:
Correct, because aliens can be evaluated on a scientific basis, and god cannot.

How would you, marke, suggest I measure god?
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I think it may be just as hard to try to measure God as it would be to try to measure an alien.
 
marke said:
Let's ask someone who thinks like Hawking:

Are aliens an acceptable scientific possibility? I would have to assume he would reply, 'Yes aliens are a scientific possibility.'

Let's ask another scientist: Is God an acceptable scientific possibility? What if the scientist responds, "Yes, God is an acceptable scientific possibility." Is God therefore a scientific possibility?
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Yes.

But then again, the same can be said about Santa, the Yeti, Bigfoot, parallel universes, and the tooth fairy. These are all scientific possibilities. So what do you think we should do about all that?
 
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marke said:
Should teachers tell kids not to consider God as a possible explanation for the origin of the universe and origin of life on earth?
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Not in science class, because that would require scientific evidence for it to be science.

If you want to go through all the possibilities, they could spend all year going through all the creation myths of all the different cultures of the world. But that wouldn't belong in a science class, that would belong in a world mythology class.
 
ataraxia said:
Not in science class, because that would require scientific evidence for it to be science.

If you want to go through all the possibilities, they could spend all year going through all the creation myths of all the different cultures of the world. But that wouldn't belong in a science class, that would belong in a world mythology class.
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Professor: 'Students, you must never give any space to those ignoramuses who claim they know how life began on earth. Nobody can know that and those religious morons who want to talk about God are enemies of science.'
 
marke said:
Professor: 'Students, you must never give any space to those ignoramuses who claim they know how life began on earth. Nobody can know that and those religious morons who want to talk about God are enemies of science.'
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Yeah, that sounds about right. What about it? you say this like it’s a bad thing.
 
ataraxia said:
Yeah, that sounds about right. What about it? you say this like it’s a bad thing.
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It sounds like a closed minded secularist unwilling to consider the possibility of things which frighten him.
 
ataraxia said:
Yes.

But then again, the same can be said about Santa, the Yeti, Bigfoot, parallel universes, and the tooth fairy. These are all scientific possibilities. So what do you think we should do about all that?
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Secular logic: Believing in the possibility of aliens is like believing in Santa Claus. It is stupid and childish.
 
ataraxia said:
Not in science class, because that would require scientific evidence for it to be science.

If you want to go through all the possibilities, they could spend all year going through all the creation myths of all the different cultures of the world. But that wouldn't belong in a science class, that would belong in a world mythology class.
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Professor: 'Students, there is no evidence that life originated on earth so science does not allow speculation about possible causes, whether reasonable, possible, traditional or not.'
 
ataraxia said:
Yeah, that sounds about right. What about it? you say this like it’s a bad thing.
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Atheist: 'I can believe anything about what might have caused life on earth except for God. That is why me and my forefather atheists have designed science to allow any possible cause except for God, because we like the sound of that.'
 
marke said:
It sounds like a closed minded secularist unwilling to consider the possibility of things which frighten him.
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A lot of things are possibilities: Bigfoot, Santa, aliens, Lord Krishna having held a mountain over his head with his fintertip as a small child, etc....

Are you saying all of these things should be taught in science class or we will be considered a "closed minded secularist"?
 
marke said:
Atheist: 'I can believe anything about what might have caused life on earth except for God."
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Actually no. Last I heard we don't really have a solid scientific understanding of abiogenesis. We are working on it, and making some interesting inroads. Anyone who says otherwise is making stuff up. But that's no license to believe in any fool thing you want- or to teach it in science class.
 
marke said:
Should teachers tell kids not to consider God as a possible explanation for the origin of the universe and origin of life on earth?
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No, not a problem if they are teaching english language studies through fiction stories or students and their parents have agreed to learn the bible. They teach greek mythology and no one has a problem with that so why not teach christian mythology as well.

But it is not science and therefor should not be taught as such. It is not a possible explanation it is nothing more than a fantasy and should be taught, if at all, as such.
 
marke said:
Professor: 'Students, you must never give any space to those ignoramuses who claim they know how life began on earth. Nobody can know that and those religious morons who want to talk about God are enemies of science.'
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You are mistaken of course. There are several quite good theories on how life began on earth and experiments in labs have confirmed some of these theories could work. The science follows natural abiogenesis and not creation myths.
 
soylentgreen said:
No, not a problem if they are teaching english language studies through fiction stories or students and their parents have agreed to learn the bible. They teach greek mythology and no one has a problem with that so why not teach christian mythology as well.

But it is not science and therefor should not be taught as such. It is not a possible explanation it is nothing more than a fantasy and should be taught, if at all, as such.
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Professor to students: 'I don't give a damn if your parents want to believe all that Christian mythology crap. They can believe any stupid damn thing they want if they want to remain dummasses. But this is a goddamm public school and in this damn school we only teach the truth, not ridiculous man-made fairy tales. For example, we know the universe was blown into existence by a powerful explosion which was fueled by star dust and occurred a gazillion and 35 years ago. There is no doubt. That is science. God is not science. God is fiction and belongs in backwoods holy-roller churches where IQ levels rarely reach three digits.'
 
soylentgreen said:
You are mistaken of course. There are several quite good theories on how life began on earth and experiments in labs have confirmed some of these theories could work. The science follows natural abiogenesis and not creation myths.
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There are a train car load of crappy theories out there which might could work, but none so scientifically plausible as the creation theory.
 
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