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    Re: A huge breakthrough in battery technology and hopefully the end lithium-ion.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    That is why I think the writer was a moron out of their depth

    From the article all that would need to be changed is the "fuel cell" which contains the catalyst and the aluminum. Which could be as simple as removing a block of aluminum, draining the catalyst, and adding a new block of aluminum and fresh catalyst, or the removal of the battery. The first could be done in a couple of hours, the second might require a shop with a lift

    If just removal and addition of the aluminum and catalyst the cost could be quite low. Aluminum sells for $0.78 per pound. The ease of exchange would be vital in making this a viable alternative to traditional batteries and or ICE
    If the initial cost of this "battery assembly" is $6K (meaning that nobody would ever buy it) then it matters little what refurbishing it every 1,500 miles would (or might) cost. Since we know the cost of aluminum is not that high then it must be the cost of new "magic juice" that is driving the price up.

    BTW, I agree that the article sucked when covering the replacement/recycling aspect of this new technology.
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    Re: A huge breakthrough in battery technology and hopefully the end lithium-ion.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sabre View Post
    Ex-Navy officer turned inventor signs a multi-million deal to produce his electric car battery that will take drivers 1,500 miles without needing to charge

    Not an idea but a reality, some highlights of the article:







    Father-of-eight invents an electric car battery to take drivers 1,500 miles without charging it | Daily Mail Online

    (Words in blue were added by me for clarification in US terms.)

    That was just some highlights, much more info in the article and well worth the read.
    Sigh. It's the daily mail. The daily mail has a good a reputation for being accurate as the World News Daily and bat boy. It would be wonderful, but, honestly, if it's too good to be true, it isn't true. Not only that, but if you look for Austin Electic in essex doesn't exist. The daily mail is not what you could consider reliable.
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    Re: A huge breakthrough in battery technology and hopefully the end lithium-ion.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    That was a poorly written article

    I doubt the writer was understanding the cost properly and wrote numbers down


    The questions for the tech are

    1. At the recharge point is just the aluminum and liquid catalyst changed out, leaving the rest of the "battery". If so what is the cost of the recharge. To me it looks like the battery costs 5000 Pounds. I expect the battery in the base Tesla Model 3 is around the same cost ( given it sells for $40 000 in the US and 5000 Pounds is roughly $6500

    2 How quick is the recharge? Does it have to go to a skilled mechanic, or something that can be done quickly (a few minutes, hours or days)

    3. What will happen with the used catalyst/aluminum
    It's non recharable, you have to swap it out.

    However, let's look at the '7 signs of bogus science', and see how many of the points in there are taken up by this claims

    The Seven Warning Signs of Bogus Science

    1. The discoverer pitches the claim directly to the media.

    2. The discoverer says that a powerful establishment is trying to suppress his or her work.

    3. The scientific effect involved is always at the very limit of detection.

    4. Evidence for a discovery is anecdotal.

    5. The discoverer says a belief is credible because it has endured for centuries.

    6. The discoverer has worked in isolation.

    7. The discoverer must propose new laws of nature to explain an observation.
    Point 1) Taken directly media, .. check
    Point 2) Claims that the industry try to supress his discovery.. CHeck.
    Point 4) So far, I don't see anybody actually showing a test for this.. Making it anecdotal CHeck
    Point 6) Discover worked in Isolation. Check.

    So, out of the seven signs of bogus science, this so called discovery hit 4 of them.

    That's makes the claim highly unreliable.
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    Re: A huge breakthrough in battery technology and hopefully the end lithium-ion.

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    There were some troubling claims made in that article. One of them was that a replacement "miracle" battery for a Tesla would cost 5,000# (about $6,000) instead of the 30,000# (about $36,000) cost of its current (but rechargeable L-ion battery pack) and would allow for 1,500 miles of travel - that comes out to 3.33# (about $4) per mile as opposed to $0.125/mile for a conventional IC powered vehicle getting 20 mpg with gasoline cost at $2.50/gallon.

    Either my math is wrong or this "miracle" non-rechargeable battery (actually a fuel cell) is very expensive when "scaled up" to actually power a Tesla.
    Sigh, Tesla battery packs don't cost thirty thousand bucks. They're between five and seven thousand, and that's an OEM unit directly from Tesla, not from a remanufacturer, which is even cheaper.

    My question is, although Al-Air sounds intriguing, the question is whether or not we can build out an "aluminum infrastructure" because, seeing as these are primary batteries and not rechargeable, we're talking about transporting aluminum anodes all over the world, back and forth, every single day.
    One must add those transport and reman costs into the equation.
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