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    Re: A huge breakthrough in battery technology and hopefully the end lithium-ion.

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    I am not saying that it will never happen just that it has not yet happened. BTW, how practical was flight when that meant taking one person up to a few hundred feet away from where they started with no idea exactly how long (or high) that flight would be?
    I wonder if this would make better AA batteries, at least more environmentally friendly ones.
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    Re: A huge breakthrough in battery technology and hopefully the end lithium-ion.

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    I wonder if this would make better AA batteries, at least more environmentally friendly ones.
    Better than what? L-ion and NiCad batteries are the right size, shape and voltage and they are rechargeable. If being "green" means paying over 1000X more for batteries then count me out.
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    Re: A huge breakthrough in battery technology and hopefully the end lithium-ion.

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Better than what? L-ion and NiCad batteries are the right size, shape and voltage and they are rechargeable. If being "green" means paying over 1000X more for batteries then count me out.
    just cheaper for a regular battery.
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    Re: A huge breakthrough in battery technology and hopefully the end lithium-ion.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sabre View Post
    Ex-Navy officer turned inventor signs a multi-million deal to produce his electric car battery that will take drivers 1,500 miles without needing to charge

    Not an idea but a reality, some highlights of the article:







    Father-of-eight invents an electric car battery to take drivers 1,500 miles without charging it | Daily Mail Online

    (Words in blue were added by me for clarification in US terms.)

    That was just some highlights, much more info in the article and well worth the read.


    There already are aluminum-air fuel cells that have comparable cost to ICE, internal combustion engine. Well, except for the fact that they have a limited life, as stated. In fact, they have a limited shelf life. The article is about nothing more than about a claim that is not yet proved let alone improved. Will be installed in thousands of cars next year?

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    Re: A huge breakthrough in battery technology and hopefully the end lithium-ion.

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    I am not saying that it will never happen just that it has not yet happened. BTW, how practical was flight when that meant taking one person up to a few hundred feet away from where they started with no idea exactly how long (or high) that flight would be?
    That is the whole point of what I have been saying, it was just the beginning, 20 feet high, 120 feet covered in only 12 seconds of flight. 10 years later they ruled the skies as fighters and bombers.

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    Re: A huge breakthrough in battery technology and hopefully the end lithium-ion.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sabre View Post
    That is the whole point of what I have been saying, it was just the beginning, 20 feet high, 120 feet covered in only 12 seconds of flight. 10 years later they ruled the skies as fighters and bombers.
    OK, I'll check back on this new battery technology in about a decade.
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    Re: A huge breakthrough in battery technology and hopefully the end lithium-ion.

    The lesson here is simple. We don't get our tech news from the Daily Fail.

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    Re: A huge breakthrough in battery technology and hopefully the end lithium-ion.

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    There were some troubling claims made in that article. One of them was that a replacement "miracle" battery for a Tesla would cost 5,000# (about $6,000) instead of the 30,000# (about $36,000) cost of its current (but rechargeable L-ion battery pack) and would allow for 1,500 miles of travel - that comes out to 3.33# (about $4) per mile as opposed to $0.125/mile for a conventional IC powered vehicle getting 20 mpg with gasoline cost at $2.50/gallon.

    Either my math is wrong or this "miracle" non-rechargeable battery (actually a fuel cell) is very expensive when "scaled up" to actually power a Tesla.
    That was a poorly written article

    I doubt the writer was understanding the cost properly and wrote numbers down


    The questions for the tech are

    1. At the recharge point is just the aluminum and liquid catalyst changed out, leaving the rest of the "battery". If so what is the cost of the recharge. To me it looks like the battery costs 5000 Pounds. I expect the battery in the base Tesla Model 3 is around the same cost ( given it sells for $40 000 in the US and 5000 Pounds is roughly $6500

    2 How quick is the recharge? Does it have to go to a skilled mechanic, or something that can be done quickly (a few minutes, hours or days)

    3. What will happen with the used catalyst/aluminum
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    Re: A huge breakthrough in battery technology and hopefully the end lithium-ion.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    That was a poorly written article

    I doubt the writer was understanding the cost properly and wrote numbers down


    The questions for the tech are

    1. At the recharge point is just the aluminum and liquid catalyst changed out, leaving the rest of the "battery". If so what is the cost of the recharge. To me it looks like the battery costs 5000 Pounds. I expect the battery in the base Tesla Model 3 is around the same cost ( given it sells for $40 000 in the US and 5000 Pounds is roughly $6500

    2 How quick is the recharge? Does it have to go to a skilled mechanic, or something that can be done quickly (a few minutes, hours or days)

    3. What will happen with the used catalyst/aluminum
    Aside from the fact that this battery's initial cost is ridiculous (at about $4/mile), it really doesn't much matter if its replacement cost is reduced from $6K to even $3K (with the recycled core) since that is still costing $2/mile.
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    Re: A huge breakthrough in battery technology and hopefully the end lithium-ion.

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Aside from the fact that this battery's initial cost is ridiculous (at about $4/mile), it really doesn't much matter if its replacement cost is reduced from $6K to even $3K (with the recycled core) since that is still costing $2/mile.

    That is why I think the writer was a moron out of their depth

    From the article all that would need to be changed is the "fuel cell" which contains the catalyst and the aluminum. Which could be as simple as removing a block of aluminum, draining the catalyst, and adding a new block of aluminum and fresh catalyst, or the removal of the battery. The first could be done in a couple of hours, the second might require a shop with a lift

    If just removal and addition of the aluminum and catalyst the cost could be quite low. Aluminum sells for $0.78 per pound. The ease of exchange would be vital in making this a viable alternative to traditional batteries and or ICE
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