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The Future is Electric

OldFatGuy said:
Follow the entire thread, don't just jump in with pronouncements.
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I have. Your argument makes no sense. It doesn’t matter that robots build electric cars, electric cars are still a good thing to pursue.
 
OldFatGuy said:
Curiously, with nuclear plants being shutdown and no new ones either planned or under construction, the aversion to burning fossil fuels, the minimal impact of solar farms, and an already strained electric grid, where will the needed electricity come from?
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Not from powerlines running through rugged forest lands.
 
calamity said:
Let me tell you a story.

Two weeks ago, one of the robots we ordered from Fanuc arrived toppled over on its side. The truck driver (that’s one human) explained that the dock workers loading it (several more humans) insisted that the beast needn’t be strapped down. Their specially designed shipping skid (more humans designing and building) would do the trick. It didn’t.

At our plant, it took four more humans to solve the problem: two to right it, one to get paperwork filled out with truck driver and me to coordinate it all and report current state of affairs to Fanuc and our customer. Two senior execs at our company were also involved, mostly following my reporting for a few hours.

A few hours later, two of our customer’s engineers: one electrical and the other mechanical; arrived to sniff around the damage. The next day, a Fanuc tech came to fix it. It took him most of a week, making several calls and ordering many new parts, all of which required much human intervention to process and ship.

Long story short: one toppled robot required a dozen people to work many hours to correct.
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So, all we got to do is have the robot manufacture tip over the robots as they're being loaded for shipment - voila! Full employment. :lamo
 
Grand Mal said:
That's the beauty of the free market. If there's a demand someone will find a way to supply it. Petro-Canada is advertising that It's possible now to drive an electric car across the country (a biggish country, too) from charging station to charging station in their gas stations.
My best guess to answer your question is nuclear. Tidal power generation is already working in some places, too, and battery technology has lots of room to grow.
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But it is possible to drive a thousand or ten thousand or a hundred thousand cars across Canada? How many cars can each of those charging stations handle at one time and how long does each charge take?
 
 
Bullseye said:
So, all we got to do is have the robot manufacture tip over the robots as they're being loaded for shipment - voila! Full employment. :lamo
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You just might have a point there. We received nine bots that day. If they all tipped, we'd all probably still be working on sorting that mess out.
 
Deuce said:
Read up on thermodynamics. Those solutions improve the efficiency of gathering hydrogen, but the fundamental issue still stands.
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You are not up to snuff.
 
Deuce said:
I have. Your argument makes no sense. It doesn’t matter that robots build electric cars, electric cars are still a good thing to pursue.
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My argument? Where did I make that argument? Show me. (I've personally benefited from a robotic heart procedure, and I have heavily invested in robotics for future generations of my family.)

I am not questioning the efficacy of electric cars. I am questioning the sources of energy to run them. Learn how to read and comprehend.
 
calamity said:
Here's a pretty cool marketing video showing an EV being built by robots.utube;acvVgKpqwN0]https://www.youtube.com/watcv=acvVgKpqwN0&feature=youtu.be[/video]
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The discovery and exploitation of electricity has proven to be one of the greatest technological advances in human history. Electric cars may be the wave of the future, although they face many hurdles.

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marke said:
The discovery and exploitation of electricity has proven to be one of the greatest technological advances in human history. Electric cars may be the wave of the future, although they face many hurdles.

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There are some promising new materials out there which might be helpful.

The discovery? This lithium mobility comes directly from the unique crystal structure (i.e., the arrangement of atoms) of LTPS. The understanding of this mechanism opens new perspectives in the field of lithium ion conductors and, beyond LTPS, opens an avenue towards the search for new materials with similar diffusion mechanisms.

What's next? The researchers need for further study and improve the material to enable its future commercialization. This discovery is nevertheless an important step in the understanding of materials with extremely high lithium ion mobility which are ultimately needed for the developing the "all-solid-state" batteries of the future. These materials including LTPS might end up being used in many the technologies that we use in our daily lives from cars to smartphones.

This research was performed in collaboration with Toyota...

A new material for the battery of the future -- ScienceDaily
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Bullseye said:
But it is possible to drive a thousand or ten thousand or a hundred thousand cars across Canada? How many cars can each of those charging stations handle at one time and how long does each charge take?
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You know how this works. How these changes happen. It's like compound interest where if it increases 10% a year it doubles in 7 years and triples in 11 and quadruples in, well, you get it. The town I live near put two charging stations in the library parking lot just this past summer. Nobody is old enough to remember but there was a time when cars could never take off because you had to buy gas in cans at the hardware store.
My grandfather broke a leg piling his motorcycle into the back end of a horse-drawn milk wagon and maybe my grandson will be frustrated by a gas-powered car that's in his way.
 
calamity said:
There are some promising new materials out there which might be helpful.
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And I want new advances in alternative energy sources to be made more affordable, safer, and more practical and reliable in the future. I do not think it wise for the government to outlaw existing fossil fuel energy sources before alternative energy is further developed to become more cost effective and sensible in every way than traditional fossil fuel energy sources. If fact, if alternative energy sources become cheaper and more practical then the government will not have to interfere at all with short-sighted mandates, the capitalist free market will itself promote those alternative energy sources.
 
Grand Mal said:
You know how this works. How these changes happen. It's like compound interest where if it increases 10% a year it doubles in 7 years and triples in 11 and quadruples in, well, you get it. The town I live near put two charging stations in the library parking lot just this past summer. Nobody is old enough to remember but there was a time when cars could never take off because you had to buy gas in cans at the hardware store.
My grandfather broke a leg piling his motorcycle into the back end of a horse-drawn milk wagon and maybe my grandson will be frustrated by a gas-powered car that's in his way.
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The parking structure at my office installed four charging stations about three years ago. The structure holds hundreds of cars. Not a big deal for commuting because most EV owners charge at home. My point was that having one car driving across Canada sounds wonderful but, there' no practicality until you can handle the actual volume of traffic that travels the highway is something approaching a convenient and efficient manner.

People use their cars for more than commuting or running to the store. Road trips are still a popular thing. My friend and I make 3-4 Las Vegas runs a year. From my house to the LV Strip is 345 miles. I couldn't make it without stopping for a charge.

I'm a frequent visitor to the San Diego Zoo; sometimes I play a little game and walk up and down a could of aisles to see how many different state licenses I can see. Every one of those cars came more than the nominal 300 miles. IF they were EVs that means they'd need to charge several times.

When the infrastructure supports that kind of load EVs will be great. But that's a long way off. We in California have troubles some times just supporting our current electrical demand, adding a significant number of EVs will over tax the system. Building additional power lines and generation facilities is expensive and time intensive. And, I'm sure you've heard about utility companies here shutting down power to huge areas when high winds are forecast.

None of this is insurmountable, but it's not going to happen soon, IMHO.
 
Bullseye said:
The parking structure at my office installed four charging stations about three years ago. The structure holds hundreds of cars. Not a big deal for commuting because most EV owners charge at home. My point was that having one car driving across Canada sounds wonderful but, there' no practicality until you can handle the actual volume of traffic that travels the highway is something approaching a convenient and efficient manner.

People use their cars for more than commuting or running to the store. Road trips are still a popular thing. My friend and I make 3-4 Las Vegas runs a year. From my house to the LV Strip is 345 miles. I couldn't make it without stopping for a charge.

I'm a frequent visitor to the San Diego Zoo; sometimes I play a little game and walk up and down a could of aisles to see how many different state licenses I can see. Every one of those cars came more than the nominal 300 miles. IF they were EVs that means they'd need to charge several times.

When the infrastructure supports that kind of load EVs will be great. But that's a long way off. We in California have troubles some times just supporting our current electrical demand, adding a significant number of EVs will over tax the system. Building additional power lines and generation facilities is expensive and time intensive. And, I'm sure you've heard about utility companies here shutting down power to huge areas when high winds are forecast.

None of this is insurmountable, but it's not going to happen soon, IMHO.
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The Tesla model S gets about 375 miles per charge (6 highway speed hours), which is about what most people get from a tank of gas.

I think the fastest charge now is 30 minutes. Makes for a perfect bathroom & lunch brake after driving six hours. So, I don't see a problem.

Obviously, the goal is to get it up to 500 miles/charge with a 15 minute turnaround.
 
calamity said:
The Tesla model S gets about 375 miles per charge (6 highway speed hours), which is about what most people get from a tank of gas.

I think the fastest charge now is 30 minutes. Makes for a perfect bathroom & lunch brake after driving six hours. So, I don't see a problem.

Obviously, the goal is to get it up to 500 miles/charge with a 15 minute turnaround.
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Then buy one. I get close to 600 miles on a tank and fill up in about five minute and that suits me.
 
Bullseye said:
Then buy one. I get close to 600 miles on a tank and fill up in about five minute and that suits me.
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600 miles is at least 9 hours of driving. You're not going to drive much more than that in a day. And, for sure you won't drive that non-stop. So, I call bs.
 
calamity said:
600 miles is at least 9 hours of driving. You're not going to drive much more than that in a day. And, for sure you won't drive that non-stop. So, I call bs.
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Nothing BS about it. I may stop to grab a coffee, or to recycle some. Maybe even stop for a meal. That's not the point.
 
As long as government does not impose a choice upon us, I'm happy with being able to choose between a vehicle powered by electric, gasoline, diesel, LPG, or human muscle.
But lithium production has no negative environmental impact, right?
 
calamity said:
The universe.
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Your statement is pathetically idiotic. No one is contending that man invented electricity. You and your cohorts understanding of energy conversion and associated costs is pathetically lacking and shallow. You have no understanding of the ridiculousness of the policies you are pushing. Plenty of articles are written on this, and it has been explained to you that your Future is Electric is no where near as simple as your think. It's a panacea thought up by the tiny brains of leftwing propagandists.
 
American said:
Your statement is pathetically idiotic. No one is contending that man invented electricity. You and your cohorts understanding of energy conversion and associated costs is pathetically lacking and shallow. You have no understanding of the ridiculousness of the policies you are pushing. Plenty of articles are written on this, and it has been explained to you that your Future is Electric is no where near as simple as your think. It's a panacea thought up by the tiny brains of leftwing propagandists.
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What on earth does that rambling screed of nonsense have to do with Electric cars and Robots, both of which exist and are proliferating as we speak? Jesus ****ing Christ!
 
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