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    Re: Why is the government going after Big Tech???

    The United States Postal Service is deep in the red, with a dwindling list of options available to stop the bleeding. USPS officials and Congress have continually neglected to employ sound financial management, which has resulted in $15 billion in debt and more than $100 billion in unfunded liabilities for the Postal Service. Despite inept leadership, anyone bringing attention to these issues is bound to be repeatedly attacked as a corporate shill trying to harm the USPS.

    hese crony carve-outs are just one of many issues plaguing Postal Service finances. But citizens should be especially leery of special arrangements that tilt the playing field in favor of a massive corporate leviathan that has been squeezing out market competition on every level imaginable.

    Special arrangements created by the Postal Service ensure that Amazon will get a much larger piece of the action than competing e-commerce companies. A deal carved out in 2013, for instance, commits the Postal Service to delivering Amazon packages on Sundays. This has undoubtedly been a major boon to the e-commerce giant’s bottom line, making two-day Prime delivery a possibility even on weekends. But competitors like Walmart can’t tap into this same advantage, and must wait until the holiday season to take advantage of Sunday delivery by the Postal Service.

    In fact, an April 2017 Citigroup analysis (which you can read here) found that each package delivered via USPS receives a $1.46 subsidy due to these bizarre price and cost calculations.

    The Postal Service & Amazon: Crony Capitalism Delivered to Your Door | The American Conservative

    Amazon in 2017 shipped over 6 billion packages. That means WE, the taxpayers gave Amazon over $8,000,000,000.oo just that year. Nearly half of Bezo's wealth directly came from the taxpayers via the government thru subsidizing Amazon's shipping. Shipping is one of the most significant expenses internet companies and merchants face. The government subsidizing Amazon to offer special and discount services to Amazon is not only illegal, it is grotesquely the very definition of an illegal monopoly.

    If even WalMart can not have the same rates and fast shipping, what about Mom and Pop businesses? 1 day delivery (and never on Sunday) costs small businesses 500% or more than Amazon pays.
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    Re: Why is the government going after Big Tech???

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Why do some people think that lying is persuasive? There is no reason to go thru your message point by point since truth clearly is absolutely irrelevant in it with your post office comment, rather just tell what ever lies make the claim you want in your message:

    American taxpayers give an $18 billion gift to the post office every year
    U.S. Post Office gets an $18 billion gift from taxpayers every year | Fortune

    You statement that Amazon makes no money off of sales of it's products and that neither Amazon or Google make any money off internet advertising in your message is so radically - absurdly - false there is no rational discussion possible.
    Tax breaks for a quasi public service company with service mandates from congress in exchange, is not a gift from tax payers, it is a gift to tax payers who use the services supplied. A very weak and long refuted argument resurrected for partisan political bickering.

    Understanding how both Amazon and Google truly make their money could lead to realistic antitrust regulation for the digital age. But then you can lead a horse to water, and you can't make him drink. When a prosecuting attorney for an antitrust investigation brags that the investigation is not about protecting the consumer, how could you not understand the issue is really a power play?
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    Re: Why is the government going after Big Tech???

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Apple won't qualify, there is plenty of competition for their products.

    Facebook, if they made themselves less useful to foreign governments for sinking campaign dollars, wouldn't be on this list either.

    Google and Amazon, however, are good candidates for anti trust, unfortunately. Google wields more power over public perception and opinion than any other multiple sources combined, and they sell that power to the highest bidder. Amazon is using a reinvesting strategy to pay zero taxes, while under cutting prices and driving down labor costs using...unethical hiring and employment practices...to drive any and all competition out of business.
    Apple may qualify as a technological monopoly, not unlike AT&T before it was broken up. Google is only popular because more people use it. They have no patents or trademarks that cause them to dominate a particular market. Which means that anyone can create a search engine in direct competition to Google, such as DuckDuckGo for example. When people realize that it is they who are empowering Google, Facebook, and Twitter and starting changing their behavior then Google, Facebook, and Twitter will no longer be an issue. It is already happening.

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    Re: Why is the government going after Big Tech???

    Quote Originally Posted by OldFatGuy View Post
    Tax breaks for a quasi public service company with service mandates from congress in exchange, is not a gift from tax payers, it is a gift to tax payers who use the services supplied. A very weak and long refuted argument resurrected for partisan political bickering.

    Understanding how both Amazon and Google truly make their money could lead to realistic antitrust regulation for the digital age. But then you can lead a horse to water, and you can't make him drink. When a prosecuting attorney for an antitrust investigation brags that the investigation is not about protecting the consumer, how could you not understand the issue is really a power play?
    There is nothing "quasi" about the USPS. It is funded by taxpayer funds that were appropriated by Congress. The USPS does generate some revenue through the sale of stamps and other services, but not nearly enough to offset the cost of their operation. There is nothing "self-sufficient" about the USPS, and there never has been. The USPS exists because Congress has the constitutional authority "to establish post offices..." It is not a private organization, or a "quasi-" anything, it is entirely a federal government entity. Just like NASA, the CIA, and dozens of other alphabet agencies, they all fall under the "Independent Agency" label. Meaning they do not belong to a particular department. An "Independent Agency" is not independent of the government, just not part of any established department, like the Department of State, or the Department of Justice, or the Department of Defense, etc., etc.
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    Re: Why is the government going after Big Tech???

    Quote Originally Posted by Glitch View Post
    There is nothing "quasi" about the USPS. It is funded by taxpayer funds that were appropriated by Congress. The USPS does generate some revenue through the sale of stamps and other services, but not nearly enough to offset the cost of their operation. There is nothing "self-sufficient" about the USPS, and there never has been. The USPS exists because Congress has the constitutional authority "to establish post offices..." It is not a private organization, or a "quasi-" anything, it is entirely a federal government entity. Just like NASA, the CIA, and dozens of other alphabet agencies, they all fall under the "Independent Agency" label. Meaning they do not belong to a particular department. An "Independent Agency" is not independent of the government, just not part of any established department, like the Department of State, or the Department of Justice, or the Department of Defense, etc., etc.
    Perhaps you should look up the charters that established and regulate the USPS.
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    Re: Why is the government going after Big Tech???

    Quote Originally Posted by OldFatGuy View Post
    Perhaps you should look up the charters that established and regulate the USPS.
    What are you talking about? The US Constitution and Congress established and regulate the USPS. The origins of the USPS goes back to the Continental Congress when on July 26, 1775, they appointed Benjamin Franklin the first Postmaster General. The first session of Congress created (or recreated) the USPS in 1789.

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    Re: Why is the government going after Big Tech???

    Quote Originally Posted by Glitch View Post
    What are you talking about? The US Constitution and Congress established and regulate the USPS. The origins of the USPS goes back to the Continental Congress when on July 26, 1775, they appointed Benjamin Franklin the first Postmaster General. The first session of Congress created (or recreated) the USPS in 1789.
    The Post Office is NOT private organization:

    The Board of Governors of the United States Postal Service is an eleven-seat board comparable to a board of directors of a private corporation, except in service of the American postal system. Nine members are appointed by the president of the United States, subject to confirmation by the Senate (and usually first deliberated in the Senate's Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs)[1]. The nine presidentially appointed governors choose the postmaster general, who also serves as a member of the board. These ten then choose a deputy postmaster general, who becomes the 11th member of the board. The postmaster general and deputy postmaster general serve at the pleasure of the Governors.
    Board of Governors of the United States Postal Service - Wikipedia

    Name any private company where the president appoints the board of directors requiring confirmation by the Senate?

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    Re: Why is the government going after Big Tech???

    Quote Originally Posted by Glitch View Post
    What are you talking about? The US Constitution and Congress established and regulate the USPS. The origins of the USPS goes back to the Continental Congress when on July 26, 1775, they appointed Benjamin Franklin the first Postmaster General. The first session of Congress created (or recreated) the USPS in 1789.
    The USPS also has two charters, revised many times. The second charter merges the first with the postal service established by the French in what was later known as the Louisiana Purchase. Congress in its wisdom at the time, demanded a charter for internal management regulation. Further modification of the charters brought the Texas postal system into the USPS, and subsequent modification the California postal system.
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