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    Bill to route internet through Russian servers spurs protest

    MOSCOW (AP) — Several thousand people have rallied in Moscow to protest legislation they fear could lead to widespread internet censorship for Russian users.

    The sanctioned rally on Sunday was organized in response to a bill in parliament that would route all internet traffic through servers in Russia, making virtual private networks (VPNs) ineffective.
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    Re: Bill to route internet through Russian servers spurs protest

    CCP Dictator-Tyrants in Beijing have been fierce trying to block vpn services from China but they have failed miserably. USA vpn technology blows right through all CCP blocks, rerouting, China network providers' switching connections and much more.


    The Boys have put out Xinhua fake news reports they've blocked all vpn services into China but all we do here is laugh at 'em. Party censors and their high tech computers have routed services through public networks in their efforts to intercept vpn services more readily but US vpn technology nixes that too. It tells us a lot about the inadequacy of Chinese technology as the Party Boyz claim falsely all kind of new military super technology and AI leaps and bounds.
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    Re: Bill to route internet through Russian servers spurs protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Tangmo View Post
    CCP Dictator-Tyrants in Beijing have been fierce trying to block vpn services from China but they have failed miserably. USA vpn technology blows right through all CCP blocks, rerouting, China network providers' switching connections and much more.


    The Boys have put out Xinhua fake news reports they've blocked all vpn services into China but all we do here is laugh at 'em. Party censors and their high tech computers have routed services through public networks in their efforts to intercept vpn services more readily but US vpn technology nixes that too. It tells us a lot about the inadequacy of Chinese technology as the Party Boyz claim falsely all kind of new military super technology and AI leaps and bounds.
    This isn't really true. No matter how good the VPN, it can always be determined that someone is using it as the traffic the government monitors will be encrypted. The Chinese security services can then just knock down that person's door. If the government is as determined as China's,.even VPNs won't stop them.

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    Re: Bill to route internet through Russian servers spurs protest

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    This isn't really true. No matter how good the VPN, it can always be determined that someone is using it as the traffic the government monitors will be encrypted. The Chinese security services can then just knock down that person's door. If the government is as determined as China's,.even VPNs won't stop them.
    And that is why God invented public wi-fi hotspots.

    Though admittedly they don't have many of those in the rural areas.
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    Re: Bill to route internet through Russian servers spurs protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Skeptic Bob View Post
    And that is why God invented public wi-fi hotspots.

    Though admittedly they don't have many of those in the rural areas.
    The public wifis will obviously be monitored and as soon as they see somebody encrypting their traffic, it won't be hard to find the individual.

    Point being, a determined state like China or Russia absolutely could get full control over their nation's internet and in that case even VPNs and free wifi won't help anyone.

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    Re: Bill to route internet through Russian servers spurs protest

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    This isn't really true. No matter how good the VPN, it can always be determined that someone is using it as the traffic the government monitors will be encrypted. The Chinese security services can then just knock down that person's door. If the government is as determined as China's,.even VPNs won't stop them.
    I am in China and I can tell you the China Telecom ISP assigned to me knows exactly that I have vpn and that I always have vpn when I am in China. The ISP does all kind of interference and obstruction yet my vpn continues to function. So kindly refrain from telling me what is true and not true, fact or false thx.

    There are always times I have to connect to the vpn service site for remote assistance using the regular ISP here and I do connect, get the remote assistance and get the vpn reconnected and soundly reestablished. It goes in cycles of the Party censors devising a new attack technology and my vpn provider putting its engineers to it and whacking back the Party censors with a sound and solid vpn connection again.

    I and Chinese people themselves know well the pigs, er, Party-Government authorities can come pounding on our door yet they never do. When I do have to get a China Telecom ISP service tech the guy always says my problem would stop if I quit using vpn and stopped accessing YouTube, Facebook, Washington Post etc etc among the hundreds of sites that are prohibited or, even worse, forbidden.

    Different words of the Party-Government censors appear when a Chinese or a foreign devil are accessing a blocked site. "Unavailable" is just any old site the censors block, such as Reuters. "Prohibited" is a site one can get the ISP disconnected for continually trying to access, such as the China Uncensored website. "Forbidden" is a hot site that censors will singe your ass for by cutting the China ISP provider from you -- MSNBC is a "forbidden" because it bashes Trump by the minute; CNN likewise. Fox is a China favorite one can access any time because it defends Trump. My vpn accesses all of 'em even sometimes when I need service from the vpn website. Censors mostly use their own China networks such as China Telecom, China Mobile and others to interrupt the programing itself given Party-Government censors can't stop the vpn riding the China network ISP. So censors disrupt their own network they control absolutely.

    Of course Party-Government censors know I use a vpn. I use a vpn based in USA that is China specific (Express VPN) and Party-Censors know which one I use and other use. However, if the Party Mind Control Police hauled off everyone in China that used vpn they'd have a hundred million Chinese and foreign devils such as myself locked up. Workplaces and schools wold be missing people they need. So it's too much for the Party-Government to do. The Boys do scare off some Chinese from using vpn, but only a few. Plus using wifi means the mind control police have to check out too many people to find the one using vpn. Or the two. The three etc. So you trying to tell me and readers what is true in China and not true in China makes you look pretty stupid. Maybe you should ask rather than try to issue ex cathedra disrespectful and numbnuts pronouncements.

    Chinese and foreign devils alike know that when response time gets slow then the censors are into the script with their corruption tactics to include spyware and malware. Reboot, reconnect to your vpn and continue. Rinse and repeat as necessary. I'm connected to vpn now.

    Censors are highly effective getting into your antivirus system that we pay for. That's where they go first. Any antivirus system that does business with offices in China has to play the game and give censors access. McAfee is one such cooperator with the censors that nobody in China subscribes to any more. China has its own free antivirus system, 360, which the Party-Government installs in all its browsers and sites via its ISP networks and that control where Chinese can go and must not go. Baidu is corrupt with censorship among a slew of other Chinese homegrown websites. China bought Opera and now that browser is corrupt as all hell. This info is easy to find out via using networks, browsers, security systems etc or by word of mouth in China. It's a given to Chinese never to trust a China browser, search engine, network ISP etc. None of 'em and not ever.
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    Re: Bill to route internet through Russian servers spurs protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Skeptic Bob View Post
    And that is why God invented public wi-fi hotspots.

    Though admittedly they don't have many of those in the rural areas.
    Correct in China.

    And I suspect Russian censors will have the same difficulty as Party-Censors have humongously in the CCP-PRC.

    Wifi really mucks up the China Party-Government censors monitoring users. Very. Yet the Boyz in Beijing were so pleased with themselves when they got wifi going in China back when. Now it's a huge headache for censors. Good news for the good guys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tangmo View Post
    I am in China and I can tell you the China Telecom ISP assigned to me knows exactly that I have vpn and that I always have vpn when I am in China. The ISP does all kind of interference and obstruction yet my vpn continues to function. So kindly refrain from telling me what is true and not true, fact or false thx.

    There are always times I have to connect to the vpn service site for remote assistance using the regular ISP here and I do connect, get the remote assistance and get the vpn reconnected and soundly reestablished. It goes in cycles of the Party censors devising a new attack technology and my vpn provider putting its engineers to it and whacking back the Party censors with a sound and solid vpn connection again.

    I and Chinese people themselves know well the pigs, er, Party-Government authorities can come pounding on our door yet they never do. When I do have to get a China Telecom ISP service tech the guy always says my problem would stop if I quit using vpn and stopped accessing YouTube, Facebook, Washington Post etc etc among the hundreds of sites that are prohibited or, even worse, forbidden.

    Different words of the Party-Government censors appear when a Chinese or a foreign devil are accessing a blocked site. "Unavailable" is just any old site the censors block, such as Reuters. "Prohibited" is a site one can get the ISP disconnected for continually trying to access, such as the China Uncensored website. "Forbidden" is a hot site that censors will singe your ass for by cutting the China ISP provider from you -- MSNBC is a "forbidden" because it bashes Trump by the minute; CNN likewise. Fox is a China favorite one can access any time because it defends Trump. My vpn accesses all of 'em even sometimes when I need service from the vpn website. Censors mostly use their own China networks such as China Telecom, China Mobile and others to interrupt the programing itself given Party-Government censors can't stop the vpn riding the China network ISP. So censors disrupt their own network they control absolutely.

    Of course Party-Government censors know I use a vpn. I use a vpn based in USA that is China specific (Express VPN) and Party-Censors know which one I use and other use. However, if the Party Mind Control Police hauled off everyone in China that used vpn they'd have a hundred million Chinese and foreign devils such as myself locked up. Workplaces and schools wold be missing people they need. So it's too much for the Party-Government to do. The Boys do scare off some Chinese from using vpn, but only a few. Plus using wifi means the mind control police have to check out too many people to find the one using vpn. Or the two. The three etc. So you trying to tell me and readers what is true in China and not true in China makes you look pretty stupid. Maybe you should ask rather than try to issue ex cathedra disrespectful and numbnuts pronouncements.

    Chinese and foreign devils alike know that when response time gets slow then the censors are into the script with their corruption tactics to include spyware and malware. Reboot, reconnect to your vpn and continue. Rinse and repeat as necessary. I'm connected to vpn now.

    Censors are highly effective getting into your antivirus system that we pay for. That's where they go first. Any antivirus system that does business with offices in China has to play the game and give censors access. McAfee is one such cooperator with the censors that nobody in China subscribes to any more. China has its own free antivirus system, 360, which the Party-Government installs in all its browsers and sites via its ISP networks and that control where Chinese can go and must not go. Baidu is corrupt with censorship among a slew of other Chinese homegrown websites. China bought Opera and now that browser is corrupt as all hell. This info is easy to find out via using networks, browsers, security systems etc or by word of mouth in China. It's a given to Chinese never to trust a China browser, search engine, network ISP etc. None of 'em and not ever.
    Thank you for proving my point. Your ISP and the Chinese government know damn well you're using a VPN and the only thing stopping them from just hauling your ass off to a concentration camp is that no bureaucrat feels like doing it. Rest assured, they could if they wanted, your VPN is tolerated until it isn't.

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    Re: Bill to route internet through Russian servers spurs protest

    Quote Originally Posted by JacksinPA View Post
    Welcome to George Orwell's vision of the future, coming soon to Russia. How soon before it comes here?
    Been here for decades. Ever look at where your internet traffic goes? It is amazing how often it has to go through Virginia USA for some reason even though you are trying to access a non US based service.. Just saying..

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    Re: Bill to route internet through Russian servers spurs protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Tangmo View Post
    I am in China and I can tell you the China Telecom ISP assigned to me knows exactly that I have vpn and that I always have vpn when I am in China. The ISP does all kind of interference and obstruction yet my vpn continues to function. So kindly refrain from telling me what is true and not true, fact or false thx.

    There are always times I have to connect to the vpn service site for remote assistance using the regular ISP here and I do connect, get the remote assistance and get the vpn reconnected and soundly reestablished. It goes in cycles of the Party censors devising a new attack technology and my vpn provider putting its engineers to it and whacking back the Party censors with a sound and solid vpn connection again.

    I and Chinese people themselves know well the pigs, er, Party-Government authorities can come pounding on our door yet they never do. When I do have to get a China Telecom ISP service tech the guy always says my problem would stop if I quit using vpn and stopped accessing YouTube, Facebook, Washington Post etc etc among the hundreds of sites that are prohibited or, even worse, forbidden.

    Different words of the Party-Government censors appear when a Chinese or a foreign devil are accessing a blocked site. "Unavailable" is just any old site the censors block, such as Reuters. "Prohibited" is a site one can get the ISP disconnected for continually trying to access, such as the China Uncensored website. "Forbidden" is a hot site that censors will singe your ass for by cutting the China ISP provider from you -- MSNBC is a "forbidden" because it bashes Trump by the minute; CNN likewise. Fox is a China favorite one can access any time because it defends Trump. My vpn accesses all of 'em even sometimes when I need service from the vpn website. Censors mostly use their own China networks such as China Telecom, China Mobile and others to interrupt the programing itself given Party-Government censors can't stop the vpn riding the China network ISP. So censors disrupt their own network they control absolutely.

    Of course Party-Government censors know I use a vpn. I use a vpn based in USA that is China specific (Express VPN) and Party-Censors know which one I use and other use. However, if the Party Mind Control Police hauled off everyone in China that used vpn they'd have a hundred million Chinese and foreign devils such as myself locked up. Workplaces and schools wold be missing people they need. So it's too much for the Party-Government to do. The Boys do scare off some Chinese from using vpn, but only a few. Plus using wifi means the mind control police have to check out too many people to find the one using vpn. Or the two. The three etc. So you trying to tell me and readers what is true in China and not true in China makes you look pretty stupid. Maybe you should ask rather than try to issue ex cathedra disrespectful and numbnuts pronouncements.

    Chinese and foreign devils alike know that when response time gets slow then the censors are into the script with their corruption tactics to include spyware and malware. Reboot, reconnect to your vpn and continue. Rinse and repeat as necessary. I'm connected to vpn now.

    Censors are highly effective getting into your antivirus system that we pay for. That's where they go first. Any antivirus system that does business with offices in China has to play the game and give censors access. McAfee is one such cooperator with the censors that nobody in China subscribes to any more. China has its own free antivirus system, 360, which the Party-Government installs in all its browsers and sites via its ISP networks and that control where Chinese can go and must not go. Baidu is corrupt with censorship among a slew of other Chinese homegrown websites. China bought Opera and now that browser is corrupt as all hell. This info is easy to find out via using networks, browsers, security systems etc or by word of mouth in China. It's a given to Chinese never to trust a China browser, search engine, network ISP etc. None of 'em and not ever.
    Posting these kinds of things while in China connected to a Chinese controlled ISP is risky. You don't want to end up on a watch list. I would not trust my freedom to a VPN.

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