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Should we explore parallel universes?

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Should we explore parallel universes? Or at least explore the idea of exploring parallel universes?

There are still huge time and space constraints on finding and meeting possible intelligent life in this universe. However, if we could open “gates” to parallel universes, the chance of meeting intelligent life would be nearly 100 percent, although the life might be too similar to our own to offer much novelty.

Of greater use might be the discovery of alternative Earths that are not occupied by sentient beings. We could mine them for resources or colonize them with our excess population. If the parallel Earths were inhospitable to humans, we might use them to dispose of nuclear wastes.

Should we assign at least a token amount of the federal budget to explore these possibilities?

Conceivably, the government is already funding parallel universe research, with the budget hidden in a “national security” category. Advanced research might be classified and unpublished. Russia and China may also have their own parallel universe projects and are not sharing any information about them.

If we live in a Multiverse where every possible outcome creates its own universe, exploring these parallel worlds might answer such speculative questions as “What would the world be like if Germany and Japan won World War II?” or “How would history be changed if JFK had not been assassinated?”
 
RobertU said:
Should we explore parallel universes? Or at least explore the idea of exploring parallel universes?

There are still huge time and space constraints on finding and meeting possible intelligent life in this universe. However, if we could open “gates” to parallel universes, the chance of meeting intelligent life would be nearly 100 percent, although the life might be too similar to our own to offer much novelty.

Of greater use might be the discovery of alternative Earths that are not occupied by sentient beings. We could mine them for resources or colonize them with our excess population. If the parallel Earths were inhospitable to humans, we might use them to dispose of nuclear wastes.

Should we assign at least a token amount of the federal budget to explore these possibilities?

Conceivably, the government is already funding parallel universe research, with the budget hidden in a “national security” category. Advanced research might be classified and unpublished. Russia and China may also have their own parallel universe projects and are not sharing any information about them.

If we live in a Multiverse where every possible outcome creates its own universe, exploring these parallel worlds might answer such speculative questions as “What would the world be like if Germany and Japan won World War II?” or “How would history be changed if JFK had not been assassinated?”
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Because its science fiction?
 
I'm in a parallel universe right now. I'm in a timeline where Donald Trump actually became the President of the United States in 2016. The real me is sitting on a couch in another universe wondering what it would have been like if he had won.

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RobertU said:
Rocket ships were once science fiction. Cell phones were once science fiction.
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That does not mean that everything in science fiction books will become real. They get a lot wrong. I have read a lot of hard science fiction books that mention things like vacuum tubes and tapes.

As far as parallel universes go it isnt even Science fiction it is fantasy. Looking for something in fantasy land will take a lot longer than looking in reality for something.
 
FreedomFromAll said:
That does not mean that everything in science fiction books will become real. They get a lot wrong. I have read a lot of hard science fiction books that mention things like vacuum tubes and tapes.

As far as parallel universes go it isnt even Science fiction it is fantasy. Looking for something in fantasy land will take a lot longer than looking in reality for something.
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There actually is quite a bit of evidence out there for a multiverse.

Parallel Universes: Theories & Evidence | Space

Parallel Universes
By Max Tegmark
Dept. of Physics, Univ. of Pennsylvania

https://space.mit.edu/home/tegmark/multiverse.pdf
 
RobertU said:
There actually is quite a bit of evidence out there for a multiverse.

Parallel Universes: Theories & Evidence | Space

Parallel Universes
By Max Tegmark
Dept. of Physics, Univ. of Pennsylvania

https://space.mit.edu/home/tegmark/multiverse.pdf
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Let me make this clear (and you can provided the evidence, if you think that you have some) there is no evidence of parallel universes. Parallel universes are fantasy plain and simple.

Now I know that sounds like a very strong denial (and it is) but given that you gave a link to Max Tegmark who was present at the American Astronomical Society meeting where the idea of parallel universes was floated. I give you a link to someone who was there as well. Ask Ethan #73: The Multiverse and you – Starts With A Bang! – Medium And he explains well that the possibility is incredibly small. "While parallel Universes are still fertile ground for exploring the possibilities, our current understanding of what they require leaves them highly disfavored, at least for alternate versions of ourselves."

You have to remember that theoretical physicists like to throw around a lot of crazy ideas, but it does not make them all possible.
 
FreedomFromAll said:
Let me make this clear (and you can provided the evidence, if you think that you have some) there is no evidence of parallel universes. Parallel universes are fantasy plain and simple.

Now I know that sounds like a very strong denial (and it is) but given that you gave a link to Max Tegmark who was present at the American Astronomical Society meeting where the idea of parallel universes was floated. I give you a link to someone who was there as well. Ask Ethan #73: The Multiverse and you – Starts With A Bang! – Medium And he explains well that the possibility is incredibly small. "While parallel Universes are still fertile ground for exploring the possibilities, our current understanding of what they require leaves them highly disfavored, at least for alternate versions of ourselves."

You have to remember that theoretical physicists like to throw around a lot of crazy ideas, but it does not make them all possible.
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My belief in parallel universes is based on a personal experience, which has been confirmed by others:

Scream - Cloud 29
 
RobertU said:
My belief in parallel universes is based on a personal experience, which has been confirmed by others:

Scream - Cloud 29
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Interesting anecdote. I've had things like this happen to me as well. It's far more likely that these are false memories. Everyone has them, and it can be creepy when we distinctly remember something that never happened. I distinctly remember "The Berenstein Bears" under that spelling, but it never has been spelled that way. It's always been "The Berenstain Bears." A lot of people remember Nelson Mandela passing away in the 1990's, yet he lived until 2013. So many people have this false memory, it has a name: The Mandela Effect.

Another possibility in your case is that when movies are edited for TV, they often use different takes in order to save time and remove offensive content.

If parallel universes do exist, we would have no knowledge of them and we could have no memories of them. They would remain mathematical constructs in our universe. And moving from one universe to another would defy the laws of physics as we understand them.
 
RobertU said:
Should we explore parallel universes? Or at least explore the idea of exploring parallel universes?

There are still huge time and space constraints on finding and meeting possible intelligent life in this universe. However, if we could open “gates” to parallel universes, the chance of meeting intelligent life would be nearly 100 percent, although the life might be too similar to our own to offer much novelty.

Of greater use might be the discovery of alternative Earths that are not occupied by sentient beings. We could mine them for resources or colonize them with our excess population. If the parallel Earths were inhospitable to humans, we might use them to dispose of nuclear wastes.

Should we assign at least a token amount of the federal budget to explore these possibilities?

Conceivably, the government is already funding parallel universe research, with the budget hidden in a “national security” category. Advanced research might be classified and unpublished. Russia and China may also have their own parallel universe projects and are not sharing any information about them.

If we live in a Multiverse where every possible outcome creates its own universe, exploring these parallel worlds might answer such speculative questions as “What would the world be like if Germany and Japan won World War II?” or “How would history be changed if JFK had not been assassinated?”
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Robert EU:

Two points:

1) How do we explore parallel universes when we cannot yet interact with them?

2) The Multiverse hypothesis not only has universes created by different actions causing the budding off of new probability universes. It also has universes being ended all the time by certain events in one universe or another, including quite randomly when one universal membrane interacts with another universal membrane. So your research may lead to, well, the end! Pop. Probability universe over. From Big Bang to Big Bust in only 13.8 billion years?

PS: the very act of observing the universe(s) may destroy it(them).

Cheers.
One iteration of Evilroddy.
 
lwf said:
Interesting anecdote. I've had things like this happen to me as well. It's far more likely that these are false memories. Everyone has them, and it can be creepy when we distinctly remember something that never happened. I distinctly remember "The Berenstein Bears" under that spelling, but it never has been spelled that way. It's always been "The Berenstain Bears." A lot of people remember Nelson Mandela passing away in the 1990's, yet he lived until 2013. So many people have this false memory, it has a name: The Mandela Effect.

Another possibility in your case is that when movies are edited for TV, they often use different takes in order to save time and remove offensive content.

If parallel universes do exist, we would have no knowledge of them and we could have no memories of them. They would remain mathematical constructs in our universe. And moving from one universe to another would defy the laws of physics as we understand them.
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Personally, I love the idea that it might be evidence that – now and then, like tourists – we’re sliding into an alternate reality, and then return to our home reality.

Source: Mandela Effect - Alternate Realities
 
RobertU said:
Personally, I love the idea that it might be evidence that – now and then, like tourists – we’re sliding into an alternate reality, and then return to our home reality.

Source: Mandela Effect - Alternate Realities
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It's a fun idea. It's just less likely than the more mundane explanation of false memory. Occam's razor and all that.
 
RobertU said:
Do the people who have the same "wrong memory" as me also need help?
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Well it depends if you are writing fiction or actually believe these things. Perhaps you are working on a novel and need some input on how someone would view a character? In that context I would automatically assume paranoid schizophrenia. Oddly I also must point out that I own a 63-1/2 ford falcon.
 
How about multiple perpendicular?
 
Evilroddy said:
Robert EU:

Two points:

1) How do we explore parallel universes when we cannot yet interact with them?

2) The Multiverse hypothesis not only has universes created by different actions causing the budding off of new probability universes. It also has universes being ended all the time by certain events in one universe or another, including quite randomly when one universal membrane interacts with another universal membrane. So your research may lead to, well, the end! Pop. Probability universe over. From Big Bang to Big Bust in only 13.8 billion years?

PS: the very act of observing the universe(s) may destroy it(them).

Cheers.
One iteration of Evilroddy.
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Read the op's link, he believes that he jumps between universes all the time. But then on the same site he claims to be a writer. I challenged him on the notion that he his just sharing a story that he is writing, then he went silent. Or it could be that telling him that I own a ford falcon freaked him out. Go look at his site he mentions falcons.
 
FreedomFromAll said:
Read the op's link, he believes that he jumps between universes all the time. But then on the same site he claims to be a writer. I challenged him on the notion that he his just sharing a story that he is writing, then he went silent. Or it could be that telling him that I own a ford falcon freaked him out. Go look at his site he mentions falcons.
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The website is intended as a work of non-fiction. All my experiences happened. I did incorporate some of my perspectives into a novel called The Black Stone. You are free to ignore or doubt what I write or to question my interpretation of events.
 
I lean toward believing the multiple worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics, so I guess that means I believe parallel universes are more likely than not, as do a significant percentage of cosmologists. At least that is what I would bet my money on. I wouldn't bet a LOT of money on it, though. The mathematics of it make sense, but as far as actually detecting them? I doubt such a thing would even theoretically be possible. So no, I would not support putting tax payer money into it when there are countless other practical space-related projects I am sure the money could be spent on.
 
RobertU said:
My belief in parallel universes is based on a personal experience, which has been confirmed by others:

Scream - Cloud 29
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In other words...your understanding and belief in this subject are based on the same data type as God/Religion and thus do we note the same level of scientific attention. There are a few scientists looking into it and no data or experimentation being produced.

At this point both are a dead end path and dismissed as unfounded hypothesis.
 
tecoyah said:
In other words...your understanding and belief in this subject are based on the same data type as God/Religion and thus do we note the same level of scientific attention. There are a few scientists looking into it and no data or experimentation being produced.

At this point both are a dead end path and dismissed as unfounded hypothesis.
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To recap, I had a memory of the movie Batman in which the painting not vandalized by the Joker's minions was The Scream, not Figure with Meat as depicted in the movie. At least two or three other people who I do not know have the same "wrong memory." My belief was based on an observation confirmed by others and there is no evidence of a different version of the movie being made. That seems close to the scientific method.
 
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