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Pedophiles Found Out How to Break YouTube

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A report from Bloomberg states that Disney has “withheld its spending” on YouTube in the wake of creator Matt Watson’s explainer, which demonstrates how predators use videos of children to sexually exploit them. Disney joins Fortnite developer Epic Games and Nestlé in removing its ads from the platform. (Epic removed its Fortnite preroll ads that appear before a video plays.) Other companies, including Peloton, have asked YouTube to investigate the situation.


Disney reportedly pulls ads from YouTube following child exploitation controversy



This is how it was summed up to me:

By wiping your browser history, using a VPN or privately browsing some other way, and going to youtube, and typing a single phrase and then searching the right sidebar for a picture of a pre-pubescent girl, and clicking, you are immediately connected by youtube's content-recommending algorithms into a gigantic pile of videos that feature underage girls in awkward poses. By looking through the comments of these videos, it's immediately apparent that they are being trawled by pedophiles, who timestamp the videos precisely at moments where the prepubescent girls are in compromising poses, and they also share links and contact information with each other.

So, while there's no outright and obvious child pornography on youtube, it is being used efficiently by what looks like thousands of pedophiles to efficiently trade links of girls in awful-looking poses, connect those pedophiles to these girl's (or their handler's) accounts and to each other.

Some of the videos appear to be shot by the naive girls themselves, and other seem to be shot by adult handlers with an obvious pedophilic intent.

Youtube's own algorithms appear to be functioning with great efficiency in facilitating these connections and sharing.

These people have way too much time on their hands and are freaking diabolical in their search for this crap. If YouTube doesn't stop it, it could destroy the fabric of the internet.
 
Disney reportedly pulls ads from YouTube following child exploitation controversy



This is how it was summed up to me:



These people have way too much time on their hands and are freaking diabolical in their search for this crap. If YouTube doesn't stop it, it could destroy the fabric of the internet.

Not sure about "fabric of the internet" because (A) it was never pure as the driven snow, LOL and (B) it's really threatening to destroy the fabric of YouTube. And you know what?? If so, they brought it on themselves by being apathetic about the issue.
Stories like this one will get out and a lot of "woke" types will indeed pronounce YouTube as a pedo haven and word will spread fast, like a brush fire.

And no, I am not referring to whiny social justice warrior types, I am referring to people like my own daughter.
I can already see her reacting to a YouTube link, even an innocuous one, with:

"Oh Hell no, I don't go on YouTube anymore, pedo alert!!"
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"We use Patreon now, or Instagram...or "xxxxxxxxx"(whatever).
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So clearly, YouTube better get its house in order.
BTW this is why I did favor corralling all that stuff into exclusive .xxx domains or .adult or .porn domains.
The pedo stuff would be weeded out and the adult stuff would be sequestered.
 
Disney reportedly pulls ads from YouTube following child exploitation controversy



This is how it was summed up to me:



These people have way too much time on their hands and are freaking diabolical in their search for this crap. If YouTube doesn't stop it, it could destroy the fabric of the internet.

Well, I do not know if it will destroy the fabric of the internet. And even if it did, and if the big social media platforms went bankrupt for lack of advertisers, I think the world would become a far better place. A world without Facebook, Twitter and Youtube might be slightly duller. Lord knows I love watching my Youtube videos quite regularly. But the demand for free informative and entertainment videos is at an all-time high. Someone will step in to meet that demand. More likely, if YouTube goes bankrupt when major advertisers pull advertising dollars because they do not want to be associated with a website that caters to a large pedophile subculture, I think Google/Alphabet Inc. will just buy up (or develop) a better video-hosting platform that is not as easy for pedophiles to break into.
 
well, i do not know if it will destroy the fabric of the internet. And even if it did, and if the big social media platforms went bankrupt for lack of advertisers, i think the world would become a far better place. A world without facebook, twitter and youtube might be slightly duller. Lord knows i love watching my youtube videos quite regularly. But the demand for free informative and entertainment videos is at an all-time high. Someone will step in to meet that demand. More likely, if youtube goes bankrupt when major advertisers pull advertising dollars because they do not want to be associated with a website that caters to a large pedophile subculture, i think google/alphabet inc. Will just buy up (or develop) a better video-hosting platform that is not as easy for pedophiles to break into.

of course!
 
Disney reportedly pulls ads from YouTube following child exploitation controversy



This is how it was summed up to me:

By wiping your browser history, using a VPN or privately browsing some other way, and going to youtube, and typing a single phrase and then searching the right sidebar for a picture of a pre-pubescent girl, and clicking, you are immediately connected by youtube's content-recommending algorithms into a gigantic pile of videos that feature underage girls in awkward poses. By looking through the comments of these videos, it's immediately apparent that they are being trawled by pedophiles, who timestamp the videos precisely at moments where the prepubescent girls are in compromising poses, and they also share links and contact information with each other.

So, while there's no outright and obvious child pornography on youtube, it is being used efficiently by what looks like thousands of pedophiles to efficiently trade links of girls in awful-looking poses, connect those pedophiles to these girl's (or their handler's) accounts and to each other.

Some of the videos appear to be shot by the naive girls themselves, and other seem to be shot by adult handlers with an obvious pedophilic intent.

Youtube's own algorithms appear to be functioning with great efficiency in facilitating these connections and sharing.

These people have way too much time on their hands and are freaking diabolical in their search for this crap. If YouTube doesn't stop it, it could destroy the fabric of the internet.

This probably isn't what you were thinking about when you created the thread, but someone needs to broach the matter from a disinterested perspective....

Interdicting the incidence of certain opprobria calls for supply-side tactics whereas others require demand-side intervention. The phenomenon of pedophiles viewing "kiddie porn" strikes me as something that begs for virulent supply-side "injunctions."

Why?
  • Pedophilia apparently is, based on extant knowledge of it, endogenously inexorable. Pedophiles will exist, and they're going to attempt to sate their prurience so long as third-person means to do so exist. On the other hand, far fewer of them are going to undertake violent first-person means to do so. Pedophiles are perverted fetishists, not masochistic fetishists.
  • The only way a child appears in "kiddie porn" is an adult's too-permissively managing the child's affairs. There again, that is a supply-side problem, not a demand-side matter.

    This can be addressed in schools by having teachers/schools commence the school year and start of each quarter/trimester by devoting one class period to communicating to kids the kinds of behaviors and situations that kids need to report to multiple adults -- their parents, their teachers, perhaps the school nurse, etc. Schools also need to teach kids how to recognize and, if at all possible, extricate themselves from those abusive situations.

    This needs to be done because pedophiles' key advantage is there ability to avail themselves of kids' naivete. The less naive be kids, the less able pedophiles are at taking advantage of them.
  • Pedophiles are moved by emotion; however, suppliers, enablers of their fetish are moved by money. No matter the undertaking, folks who consider or perform it for money will, at some point, conclude the opportunity and total economic cost of the endeavor outweighs the returns it can produce. At whatever be that point, folks decide to devote their resources to something else. Accordingly, what needs to happen is (1) establishing barriers to entry and an operating environment that materially alter the business of supplying "kiddie porn" so that unprofitable is the profit profile of supplying the demand for "kiddie porn," and (2) culling permanently from society identified pedophiles and their aides and abettors. (Note that #2, that is to say, the risk of realizing that outcome, is an element of the costing model used to decide whether to supply the demand for "kiddie porn.")
Is what you've related in your OP a YouTube problem? No. YouTube is just a platform, and it certainly wasn't created to facilitate pedophiles and their suppliers. Sure, YouTube should fix the "bug" in its code, but insofar as YouTube isn't a LEO, that's the limit of its burden, aside from its burden to report unlawful activity that happens to come to its attention.
 
I'm not a sensitive person and I've led a far from perfect life. This made me sick to my stomach. These girls and/or boys are too young to ... just ... it's sick. I've been to the dark side of the net since the 90s and I've seen this kinda crap before. It won't end anything until we catch the sickos who make it possible. Even then, we will never catch them all. However, I'd happily write a big check to anyone taking on this kinda sickness on the supply side.

As I have two young children and worry about them daily, I appreciate this kind of sharing and making it as public as possible. It bothers me on a very deep level that I have to talk to my 9 year old child regularly about what kind of predator to watch for.
 
If YouTube doesn't stop it, it could destroy the fabric of the internet.
Is there any suggestions for what YouTube is actually expected to do about this? Does this kind of material only exist on YouTube or is it being uniquely focused on for some reason? If YouTube specifically is so bad, why is the person complaining about it still using YouTube to host his own videos?
 
I'm not a sensitive person and I've led a far from perfect life. This made me sick to my stomach. These girls and/or boys are too young to ... just ... it's sick. I've been to the dark side of the net since the 90s and I've seen this kinda crap before. It won't end anything until we catch the sickos who make it possible. Even then, we will never catch them all. However, I'd happily write a big check to anyone taking on this kinda sickness on the supply side.

As I have two young children and worry about them daily, I appreciate this kind of sharing and making it as public as possible. It bothers me on a very deep level that I have to talk to my 9 year old child regularly about what kind of predator to watch for.

We had to have those little talks with both our kids as well, son and daughter, starting at the tender ages of seven or eight, even despite the fact that their computer time BACK THEN was very strictly supervised AND very limited.

I think around ages ten or eleven they each got their own machines but even back then we were still exerting a fair bit of control via software on both our router and on their machines.
By thirteen and fourteen we relaxed a little bit but still made it clear that they were not living in a democracy and that we were indeed benevolent dictators and we would be snooping without their permission, and they had to live with that.

By fifteen or sixteen we decided that they had both proven that they'd learned the right ideas on how to deal with the internet and so we've been very comfortable ever since. They're both over eighteen now and one (the daughter) is about to move out on her own. Our son is disabled, so he may be with us a while longer.

When we first started talking to them, we didn't use any references to sex at all, we just asked if they understood what the kids on the milk cartons were all about, and surprisingly they did. So we helped them connect the dots and explained that the people that they interact with personally on the internet are STRANGERS, and that some of them might not be good people, hence the risk of sharing too much with strangers and winding up as one of those kids on a milk carton.

We didn't overwhelm or bombard them, but we kept revisiting the subject from time to time, and we asked them the questions, probing to see if they knew about stories of creepy types and rumors, and exploitation schemes. We let them inform us, and corrected misinformation and explained how schemes get carried out. We let them feel they were being proactive about it.

By the time they started reaching their tween prepubescent years, they were the ones who expressed mild apprehension about creepy pedo types and they were the ones asking questions, and again we patiently separated fact from fiction, and we tied stuff in with contemporary news stories, so that they could understand that real people sometimes got into real trouble, and real kids sometimes had scary stuff happen to them, but that sometimes real people helped real people when they were in trouble, and we explained the many ways they could help themselves.

We made sure that they felt that they were able to police themselves and use their natural common sense. It sure looks like it all turned out healthy.
Without a doubt my son spends too much time being a gamer but neither kid has ever gotten into trouble, or into drugs, gangs, sexual exploitation, or anything scary or creepy. They're smart good kids :)
 
We had to have those little talks with both our kids as well, son and daughter, starting at the tender ages of seven or eight, even despite the fact that their computer time BACK THEN was very strictly supervised AND very limited.

I think around ages ten or eleven they each got their own machines but even back then we were still exerting a fair bit of control via software on both our router and on their machines.
By thirteen and fourteen we relaxed a little bit but still made it clear that they were not living in a democracy and that we were indeed benevolent dictators and we would be snooping without their permission, and they had to live with that.

By fifteen or sixteen we decided that they had both proven that they'd learned the right ideas on how to deal with the internet and so we've been very comfortable ever since. They're both over eighteen now and one (the daughter) is about to move out on her own. Our son is disabled, so he may be with us a while longer.

When we first started talking to them, we didn't use any references to sex at all, we just asked if they understood what the kids on the milk cartons were all about, and surprisingly they did. So we helped them connect the dots and explained that the people that they interact with personally on the internet are STRANGERS, and that some of them might not be good people, hence the risk of sharing too much with strangers and winding up as one of those kids on a milk carton.

We didn't overwhelm or bombard them, but we kept revisiting the subject from time to time, and we asked them the questions, probing to see if they knew about stories of creepy types and rumors, and exploitation schemes. We let them inform us, and corrected misinformation and explained how schemes get carried out. We let them feel they were being proactive about it.

By the time they started reaching their tween prepubescent years, they were the ones who expressed mild apprehension about creepy pedo types and they were the ones asking questions, and again we patiently separated fact from fiction, and we tied stuff in with contemporary news stories, so that they could understand that real people sometimes got into real trouble, and real kids sometimes had scary stuff happen to them, but that sometimes real people helped real people when they were in trouble, and we explained the many ways they could help themselves.

We made sure that they felt that they were able to police themselves and use their natural common sense. It sure looks like it all turned out healthy.
Without a doubt my son spends too much time being a gamer but neither kid has ever gotten into trouble, or into drugs, gangs, sexual exploitation, or anything scary or creepy. They're smart good kids :)

Thank you for the description of how you handled it. This is an area where I don't think there can be too much advice. Our older boy is 9 and we are always learning as we go. He is just starting to say things that give away the other kids at school talking about more adult themes. I'm honestly a little relieved when he still laughs at a fart joke.

Things sure are different from when I was a kid. We had internet and all, but it was nothing like it is now and I was 14 before I got my first modem and could connect to the local college.

Anyway, I'm sure you got good kids. This post is very informative both on the subject and how much you love them. That's something I can always respect.
 
One of the reasons I would never let my kids make content for the platform, even for those who’ve made untold millions like Ryan’s toy review that my kids watch it’s like, man, I’d invest in some security because you know, you just know there’s some sick ****s out there that are gonna take an unhealthy interest in your kids and you’re on there showing where you live, what you do, where you go.

Nah, not for me.

On YouTube themselves, they have reportedly ****ed up their response to this in some instances and held some channels liable within its system for comments left by others, I don’t think google really understands YouTube and what it is as it’s the only effective platform of its kind and they’re extremely bad at running the joint, this incident being one of the examples.
 
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