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    The "God" Particle: it was just a burp, folks.

    Remember the big event announced by mainstream media when science discovered a new particle called, the God Particle?


    The "God particle" is the nickname of a subatomic particle called the Higgs boson. In layman’s terms, different subatomic particles are responsible for giving matter different properties. One of the most mysterious and important properties is mass. Some particles, like protons and neutrons, have mass. Others, like photons, do not. The Higgs boson, or “God particle,” is believed to be the particle which gives mass to matter. The “God particle” nickname grew out of the long, drawn-out struggles of physicists to find this elusive piece of the cosmic puzzle. What follows is a very brief, very simplified explanation of how the Higgs boson fits into modern physics, and how science is attempting to study it.

    The “God particle” nickname actually arose when the book The God Particle: If the Universe Is the Answer, What Is the Question? by Leon Lederman was published. Since then, it’s taken on a life of its own, in part because of the monumental questions about matter that the God particle might be able to answer. The man who first proposed the Higgs boson’s existence, Peter Higgs, isn’t all that amused by the nickname “God particle,” as he’s an avowed atheist. All the same, there isn’t really any religious intention behind the nickname.
    https://www.gotquestions.org/God-particle.html



    Well, mainstream media seemed to have failed to give a heads up on what happened next.


    Eight months after raising hopes that they may have found an intriguing new particle that cannot be explained by the existing main physics theory, disappointed scientists are saying: Never mind.

    It was just a statistical burp, not a breakthrough, researchers reported Friday.



    Early unconfirmed readings of a new particle in December by physicists at the center, called CERN, set the physics world abuzz. Scientists there had discovered the Higgs boson or “God particle” in 2012, and two new readings from the Large Hadron Collider made it seem like they may had found a revolutionary new particle.


    At a Chicago physics conference , Dave Charlton, another CERN chief scientific spokesman, said the additional data showed that what they had seen earlier was just a random “statistical fluke.”
    https://www.telegram.com/news/201608...ry-was-mistake


    I didn't know it was a disappointment, until today.



    The Uncertain Future of Particle Physics

    Ten years in, the Large Hadron Collider has failed to deliver the exciting discoveries that scientists promised.

    In 2012, experiments at the L.H.C. confirmed the discovery of the Higgs boson — a prediction that dates back to the 1960s — and it remains the only discovery made at the L.H.C.

    Before the L.H.C. started operation, particle physicists had more exciting predictions than that. They thought that other new particles would also appear near the energy at which the Higgs boson could be produced. They also thought that the L.H.C. would see evidence for new dimensions of space. They further hoped that this mammoth collider would deliver clues about the nature of dark matter (which astrophysicists think constitutes 85 percent of the matter in the universe) or about a unified force.

    The stories about new particles, dark matter and additional dimensions were repeated in countless media outlets from before the launch of the L.H.C. until a few years ago. What happened to those predictions? The simple answer is this: Those predictions were wrong — that much is now clear.

    The trouble is, a “prediction” in particle physics is today little more than guesswork. (In case you were wondering, yes, that’s exactly why I left the field.)

    To date, particle physicists have no reliable prediction that there should be anything new to find until about 15 orders of magnitude above the currently accessible energies. And the only reliable prediction they had for the L.H.C. was that of the Higgs boson. Unfortunately, particle physicists have not been very forthcoming with this information. Last year, Nigel Lockyer, the director of Fermilab, told the BBC, “From a simple calculation of the Higgs’ mass, there has to be new science.” This “simple calculation” is what predicted that the L.H.C. should already have seen new science.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/23/o...-collider.html

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    Re: The "God" Particle: it was just a burp, folks.

    Ten years in, the Large Hadron Collider has failed to deliver the exciting discoveries that scientists promised.
    Never mind!
    Guys like me who have been talking for a very long time on the subject of the corruption of science are shocked, naturally....
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    Re: The "God" Particle: it was just a burp, folks.

    Those in the field would instantly dispute the OP and in fact eliminate the premise with actual data especially now that decay has been established.
    https://www.nationalgeographic.com/s...model-physics/

    It is important to listen to scientists when discussing science.
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    Re: The "God" Particle: it was just a burp, folks.

    Quote Originally Posted by tosca1 View Post
    Remember the big event announced by mainstream media when science discovered a new particle called, the God Particle?



    https://www.gotquestions.org/God-particle.html



    Well, mainstream media seemed to have failed to give a heads up on what happened next.



    https://www.telegram.com/news/201608...ry-was-mistake


    I didn't know it was a disappointment, until today.




    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/23/o...-collider.html
    um from what you posted the higgs was discovered and something else was a fluke

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    Re: The "God" Particle: it was just a burp, folks.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/science-env...eporting-story

    Scientists at the LHC discovered the Higgs Boson four years ago. That particle was a long-standing prediction of the current theory of subatomic physics - the Standard Model.

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    Re: The "God" Particle: it was just a burp, folks.

    It is very suspect when all of a sudden religion embraces science, just long enough to claim something else it does not understand. Then worse, claim science is hiding something.
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    Re: The "God" Particle: it was just a burp, folks.

    Quote Originally Posted by tosca1 View Post
    Remember the big event announced by mainstream media when science discovered a new particle called, the God Particle?



    https://www.gotquestions.org/God-particle.html



    Well, mainstream media seemed to have failed to give a heads up on what happened next.



    https://www.telegram.com/news/201608...ry-was-mistake


    I didn't know it was a disappointment, until today.




    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/23/o...-collider.html
    CERN, where Scientist spend their down time performing mock human sacrifices in front of a statue of the Hindu Good of Shiva

    Lol.....WTF ?
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    Re: The "God" Particle: it was just a burp, folks.

    Quote Originally Posted by tosca1 View Post
    Remember the big event announced by mainstream media when science discovered a new particle called, the God Particle? Well, mainstream media seemed to have failed to give a heads up on what happened next. I didn't know it was a disappointment, until today.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/23/o...-collider.html
    No, you have radically confused three distinct things. You're (and the Telegram) are confusing three separate things: a.) The discovery of the Higgs particle. b.) The hope that their might be a new particle discovered back in 2016 due to diphoton bumps, which turned out to be a statistical fluke. c.) The lack of a discovery of physics beyond the Higgs at the LHC.

    To address each article individually:

    1. Your first article was published before the Higgs was discovered, which is why it still refers to the search as being "under way." Specifically, it was published in "2008-06-02" according to the page source code. (Right click -> "view page source".)


    2. The second article is a wonderful illustration of how bad scientific journalism is. I cannot believe there isn't a retraction to this article. This article is 100% fake news, and it's likely because the author doesn't understand what they're writing about.

    Compare this to The Indepedent's reporting on the same event, only in this case it was reported correctly:

    It was tipped to be a potentially groundbreaking discovery of a new particle, which could have led to the re-writing of phsyics as we know it.

    But eight months after scientists hinted at the possibility of findings “more exciting than the discovery of the Higgs [Boson] itself" from the Large Hadron Collider, the latest data has shown it to be nothing more than a statistical blip.
    3. Sabbine's article: Now you're confusing the lack of a discovery of Supersymmetry and beyond-the-Standard-Model with the Higgs. The Higgs was discovered. Physics/particles beyond the Higgs was not discovered. Sabbine literally confirms the Higgs existence in the article that you cited:

    In 2012, experiments at the L.H.C. confirmed the discovery of the Higgs boson — a prediction that dates back to the 1960s — and it remains the only discovery made at the L.H.C. Particle physicists are quick to emphasize that they have learned other things: For example, they now have better knowledge about the structure of the proton, and they’ve seen new (albeit unstable) composite particles. But let’s be honest: It’s disappointing.

    Before the L.H.C. started operation, particle physicists had more exciting predictions than that. They thought that other new particles would also appear near the energy at which the Higgs boson could be produced. They also thought that the L.H.C. would see evidence for new dimensions of space. They further hoped that this mammoth collider would deliver clues about the nature of dark matter (which astrophysicists think constitutes 85 percent of the matter in the universe) or about a unified force.

    The stories about new particles, dark matter and additional dimensions were repeated in countless media outlets from before the launch of the L.H.C. until a few years ago. What happened to those predictions? The simple answer is this: Those predictions were wrong — that much is now clear.
    I mean she states her case about as well as she usually does (in other words, not very well --there's a lot that's wrong with her article), but what she said there about the Higgs is 100% accurate.
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    Re: The "God" Particle: it was just a burp, folks.

    Quote Originally Posted by FieldTheorist View Post
    No, you have radically confused three distinct things. You're (and the Telegram) are confusing three separate things: a.) The discovery of the Higgs particle. b.) The hope that their might be a new particle discovered back in 2016 due to diphoton bumps, which turned out to be a statistical fluke. c.) The lack of a discovery of physics beyond the Higgs at the LHC.

    To address each article individually:

    1. Your first article was published before the Higgs was discovered, which is why it still refers to the search as being "under way." Specifically, it was published in "2008-06-02" according to the page source code. (Right click -> "view page source".)
    I was showing the excitement over it at the time!



    2. The second article is a wonderful illustration of how bad scientific journalism is. I cannot believe there isn't a retraction to this article. This article is 100% fake news, and it's likely because the author doesn't understand what they're writing about.

    Compare this to The Indepedent's reporting on the same event, only in this case it was reported correctly:
    Except for the difference in style of writing - can you show exactly what's different between the Telegram.com and Independent.com, as far as info is concerned.





    3. Sabbine's article: Now you're confusing the lack of a discovery of Supersymmetry and beyond-the-Standard-Model with the Higgs. The Higgs was discovered. Physics/particles beyond the Higgs was not discovered. Sabbine literally confirms the Higgs existence in the article that you cited:



    I mean she states her case about as well as she usually does (in other words, not very well --there's a lot that's wrong with her article), but what she said there about the Higgs is 100% accurate.

    Who's saying the Higgs wasn't discovered????

    Since you say "there's a lot that's wrong with her article" - what are they?
    Can you offer anything to support your claim?
    Surely you don't expect anyone to just take your word for it, huh?

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