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Will we discover intelligent life in our lifetimes outside of Earth?

PoS said:
Mathematically its highly probable there is life out there, but until we can prove that faster than light travel is possible (and that would mean we have to throw away everything we know about physics), it will be pointless since the distances are too great if we are ever to meet them.
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That is, of course, thinking intergalactic travel will be physical, not metaphysical. Nor does it include theories of bending space via portals through different dimensions. Descartes was mistaken. Time is the only true proof of our existence, but when we can learn how to bend time, proof of our existence is extinguished. I'm so confused. :)
 
Rogue Valley said:
Very unlikely there is 'intelligent life' in this solar system. Perhaps some forms of microbial or extremophile life on the Jovian or Saturnine satellites.

Unless we experience some hitherto unforeseen advances in space propulsion, we won't be leaving this solar system anytime soon.

It also doesn't seem that any advanced galactic civilizations are interested in us at this time. If we are ever visited, I believe it will be via AI creations.

I doubt highly intelligent aliens would subject themselves to the rigors of deep space travel ... which would be onerous and punishing on living organisms.
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Alien intelligence already exists on our planet. We don't know how to speak their languages. Those superior beings, dolphins, porpoises, whales, elephants and so on are much smarter than we are. Cockroaches have been here longer than we have, and will exist long after we are gone. Try telling them why you can't understand how that is possible.
 
OldFatGuy said:
I haven't bothered reading the entire thread, I find the speculation alone, lame. However since you claim that I am the fifth to repeat the same joke, obviously it isn't quite as lame as your complaint. despite the repetitiveness.

As an adherent of Phillip K. Dick's theory, that women are an alien species placed on earth to drive men crazy, there is no further need for me to speculate.
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Any mention of PKD gets an auto like from me. The man was a genius.
 
PoS said:
Any mention of PKD gets an auto like from me. The man was a genius.
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If only he could write. :)

When taking breaks from other books I am enjoying, I've been re-reading a five volume collection of all his stories. Brilliant is an understatement. Recently one of my grandsons started reading the same volumes, he asks "Why aren't we studying this guy in school?"
 
Don't we have to find intelligent live here first??
 
Exquisitor said:
How can the universe is 46.5 billion ly from center and is only 13 billion years old?
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Fairly certain cosmic inflation 10 ^ -36 to 10^ -33 or 10^ -32 seconds 'after' the singularity was at rates unbeliveably faster than the speed of light (I don't think there is even an attempted measure). Then expansion slowed. But then dark energy started to cause normal inflation (ie, after the initial inflation period) to increase. Moreover, there is no theoretical reason why dark energy cannot push the universe to expand faster than the speed of light.

In other words,

How can the Universe expand faster than the speed of light during inflation? (Advanced) - Curious About Astronomy? Ask an Astronomer

In fact, the actual universe is far larger than the observable universe:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/starts...doesnt-break-the-speed-of-light/#4a8389f81e40
 
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Anyway, not unless it comes here. And I sure hope it doesn't because for it to be able to get here, it would have to be incomprehensibly in advance of us.

There's more or less one way for things to go well, and countless ways for things to go horribly wrong.
 
calamity said:
Faster than light speed expansion due to inflation or other not yet fully understood phenomena during early universe. Makes sense. The speed limit on travel is only imposed on massive objects. Energy and other massless objects can travel at infinite speed, in theory.
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Even massless particles cannot travel faster than the speed of light relative to one another.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/starts...doesnt-break-the-speed-of-light/#4a8389f81e40




Also, according to relativity, it isn't that mass can convert into energy and vice versa. Energy is Mass and vice versa. But then, it got even more complicated with quantum physics. Here, have a headache:

How Matter Lost Its Mojo
 
Mr Person said:
Even massless particles cannot travel faster than the speed of light relative to one another.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/starts...doesnt-break-the-speed-of-light/#4a8389f81e40




Also, according to relativity, it isn't that mass can convert into energy and vice versa. Energy is Mass and vice versa. But then, it got even more complicated with quantum physics. Here, have a headache:

How Matter Lost Its Mojo
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I misworded what I was referring to. For one, obviously, we have entanglement, which is superluminal. Also, there was inflation, in theory, which too would have been superluminal.

Other things too, have been found, or at least postulated.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superluminal_motion
 
Mr Person said:
Anyway, not unless it comes here. And I sure hope it doesn't because for it to be able to get here, it would have to be incomprehensibly in advance of us.

There's more or less one way for things to go well, and countless ways for things to go horribly wrong.
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They're already here.

They do not need to be more advanced than us to travel here, our Archangels, Christ, Elohim and other entities all have spaceships and some of these are sightings.

And you are right, the Aliens fear to interfere.
 
Exquisitor said:
They're already here.

They do not need to be more advanced than us to travel here, our Archangels, Christ, Elohim and other entities all have spaceships and some of these are sightings.

And you are right, the Aliens fear to interfere.
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:shock:



Oooook, I'll see myself out then.
 
They're more likely to find us, and if they do, they'll quarantine us until we become civilised, or destroy ourselves.
 
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Mr Person said:
:shock:

Oooook, I'll see myself out then.
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They fear karmic reaction that could lead to their embodiment here.

They treat us exactly like we would treat a race like us if we were one of numerous races visiting.

Human cuts of monkeys head and puts it on another body and humans are subjected to alien probes.
 
Exquisitor said:
They fear karmic reaction that could lead to their embodiment here.

They treat us exactly like we would treat a race like us if we were one of numerous races visiting.

Human cuts of monkeys head and puts it on another body and humans are subjected to alien probes.
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Just last night, one of them appeared before me and intoned:

"Bleemri misterpable venchsplurt!
Thy micturations are to me
As plurdled gabbleblotchits on a turgid bee.

And hooptiously drangle me with crinkly bindlewurdles,
Or I will Gashee morphousite, thou expungiest quoopisk!
With my blurglecruncheon, Or I will rend thee in the gobberwarts
see if I don't!

Twas brillig, and the mome raths outgrabe.
Its earted jurtles, grumbling
Into a rancid festering confectious
With all her faulty bagnose!"

The walls shook. The air spintered. Mattresses flolloped. And then, a farting apple dashed across the room, only to splatter against the door. Couldn't open it, y'see. Must've been a nephalim illuminati. I liked the bit about the blurglecruncheon. Very polite. He-it'll probably win the lottery tomorrow. Karmic pilgriffery and whatnot.







In other words, this is complete nonsense: " Archangels, Christ, Elohim and other entities all have spaceships and some of these are sightings."

I'm not sure if even the CT forum would be ready for it.
 
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Mr Person said:
Just last night, one of them appeared before me and intoned:

"Bleemri misterpable venchsplurt!
Thy micturations are to me
As plurdled gabbleblotchits on a turgid bee.

And hooptiously drangle me with crinkly bindlewurdles,
Or I will Gashee morphousite, thou expungiest quoopisk!
With my blurglecruncheon, Or I will rend thee in the gobberwarts
see if I don't!

Twas brillig, and the mome raths outgrabe.
Its earted jurtles, grumbling
Into a rancid festering confectious
With all her faulty bagnose!"

The walls shook. The air spintered. Mattresses flolloped. And then, a farting apple dashed across the room, only to splatter against the door. Couldn't open it, y'see. Must've been a nephalim illuminati. I liked the bit about the blurglecruncheon. Very polite. He-it'll probably win the lottery tomorrow. Karmic pilgriffery and whatnot.


In other words, this is complete nonsense: " Archangels, Christ, Elohim and other entities all have spaceships and some of these are sightings."

I'm not sure if even the CT forum would be ready for it.
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Well, this is fantastic poetry, you didn't just write this for here?

I know you aren't used to being on a planet as visited as this one, but why wouldn't there be demigods and even Archangels even if there wasn't a God?
 
Life yes. Intelligent life never.
 
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