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    Ammonia as fuel

    I look every so often at the progress in the power to liquid fuel research,
    and came across this piece of research.
    Nitrogen-Based Fuels: A Power-to-Fuel-to-Power Analysis - Grinberg?Dana - 2016 - Angewandte Chemie International Edition - Wiley Online Library
    Storing hydrogen attached to nitrogen, has some merits, in that nitrogen is easy to capture,
    I question them saying that ammonia is non toxic, perhaps less than gasoline, but still very toxic.
    I have read that people converted vehicles to run on ammonia during WW2 fuel shortages,
    I suspect it would not be much different that liquid propane.
    Everyone could tell if something was leaking!

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    Re: Ammonia as fuel

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    I look every so often at the progress in the power to liquid fuel research,
    and came across this piece of research.
    Nitrogen-Based Fuels: A Power-to-Fuel-to-Power Analysis - Grinberg?Dana - 2016 - Angewandte Chemie International Edition - Wiley Online Library
    Storing hydrogen attached to nitrogen, has some merits, in that nitrogen is easy to capture,
    I question them saying that ammonia is non toxic, perhaps less than gasoline, but still very toxic.
    I have read that people converted vehicles to run on ammonia during WW2 fuel shortages,
    I suspect it would not be much different that liquid propane.
    Everyone could tell if something was leaking!
    Is there a possibility we could start mining all those dirty disposable diapers?

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    Re: Ammonia as fuel

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    Is there a possibility we could start mining all those dirty disposable diapers?
    I think those are best left in reserve for future generations.

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    Re: Ammonia as fuel

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    I think those are best left in reserve for future generations.
    It's a renewable resource.

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    Re: Ammonia as fuel

    Quote Originally Posted by bearpoker View Post
    It's a renewable resource.
    Fair enough, but not the lowest hanging fruit.

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    Re: Ammonia as fuel

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    Fair enough, but not the lowest hanging fruit.
    Parents could recoup at least some of the cost of the Pampers.

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    Re: Ammonia as fuel

    Well, There is an article here about using NH3 as a source for fuel for fuel cells https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...64032116001611

    If NH3 is able to be used as a fuel cell, the byproducts woudl be nitrogen gas and water. That would solve the following problems.

    1) The release of Co2 into the atmosphere.
    2) The storage of hydrogen and the ability to transport it, and fuel the vehicle.

    The issue then would be making the ammonia, and how much energy you can get per gallon. The thought is interesting though.
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    Re: Ammonia as fuel

    Quote Originally Posted by RAMOSS View Post
    Well, There is an article here about using NH3 as a source for fuel for fuel cells https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...64032116001611

    If NH3 is able to be used as a fuel cell, the byproducts woudl be nitrogen gas and water. That would solve the following problems.

    1) The release of Co2 into the atmosphere.
    2) The storage of hydrogen and the ability to transport it, and fuel the vehicle.

    The issue then would be making the ammonia, and how much energy you can get per gallon. The thought is interesting though.
    You can burn ammonia in an IC engine also, (but I suspect you may need different lubricates)
    I think incomplete fuel burning would create a smelly mess.
    I favor carrying hydrogen has a hydrocarbon, but mostly because our current infrastructure
    is compatible. Man made hydrocarbons could be carbon neutral as well.

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    Re: Ammonia as fuel

    Quote Originally Posted by bearpoker View Post
    Is there a possibility we could start mining all those dirty disposable diapers?
    Cat piss? Brings a whole new meaning to herding cats.

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    Re: Ammonia as fuel

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    You can burn ammonia in an IC engine also, (but I suspect you may need different lubricates)
    I think incomplete fuel burning would create a smelly mess.
    I favor carrying hydrogen has a hydrocarbon, but mostly because our current infrastructure
    is compatible. Man made hydrocarbons could be carbon neutral as well.
    The current infrastructure would be able to handle liquids.. and ammonia is a liquid.
    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    There is no such thing as "fields of science". Science does not consist of "fields". It consists of falsifiable theories.

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