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Is Intelligence Mostly Innate or Nurtured?

@Evilroddy

Do you think it is possible to increase one's computational speed & power through training? If so, would this contribute to the ability to learn more complex concepts, as well as increased speed of learning?

xMathFanx:

Yes, it is my experience that effective and systematic training and practice can increase most peoples' computational speed and capacity. I am not convinced however that this will lead to a generally enhanced ability to learn and mahage more complex concepts unless the training is directly related to the new concepts being tackled. So for example, arithmetic training will likely increase a students capacity to learn and manage mathematical concepts that have arithmetic foundations like mastering non-decimal number systems or more easily doing complex algebra but in areas of maths where human arithmetic skills play a small role like topology, fractal systems and the mathematics of infinities, such training would likely play a much more marginal role. An innate talent to visualise and spatially map concepts would be much stronger than such training in arithmetic in such situations.

Taking your example one step further and broadening the skill set being trained, today we train and require students to practice formulating questions, research, learning, analysis, critical thinking and cognitive synthesis as a systematic body of intellectual skills. Being well trained in these skills allows students to better manage the torrential flood of data which comes at them these days and makes managing the tsunami of information which inundates their lives a little easier. But these skills are social skills with built-in social biases and filters which can also blind students to certain types of data which do not fit into the 'box' which our social intelligence based learning biases have inculcated into them. That is when innate intelligence clicks in and allows the rare and gifted student to see 'outside the box' of the received learning process, in order to see patterns and relationships which our biased learning process has filtered out or occluded. These are the 'eureka!-moments' which can shift cognitive paradigms and lead to real progress or even revolutions in human understanding. Unfortunately out-of-the-box thinking can also lead to ruin, madness or societal marginalisation, censure or worse, as such thinking is disruptive and can threaten powerful societal interests in the status quo. So it's a double-edged sword.

The innate intelligence is very powerful and can reshape received knowledge and the social intelligence built upon that foundation of received knowledge, but innate intelligence plays an infrequent and discontinuous role in advancing human understanding. The social intelligence, while limited in its capacity to push boundaries and open new frontiers of inquiry, is the work-horse which pushes human understanding forward by consolidating and institutionalising the great gains of the eureka!-moments into received knowledge and new iterations of social intelligence. At least, that's what I think is happening in human understanding. I could just be a myopic fool who has deluded himself. That's for others to judge.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
xMathFanx:

Yes, it is my experience that effective and systematic training and practice can increase most peoples' computational speed and capacity. I am not convinced however that this will lead to a generally enhanced ability to learn and mahage more complex concepts unless the training is directly related to the new concepts being tackled. So for example, arithmetic training will likely increase a students capacity to learn and manage mathematical concepts that have arithmetic foundations like mastering non-decimal number systems or more easily doing complex algebra but in areas of maths where human arithmetic skills play a small role like topology, fractal systems and the mathematics of infinities, such training would likely play a much more marginal role. An innate talent to visualise and spatially map concepts would be much stronger than such training in arithmetic in such situations.

@Evilroddy

Do you think a person who did not know much math, then studied, struggled, and ultimately learned higher maths would be in a better position to learn fundamental Biology after the completion of his/her new skills & abilities (in a different area), or would there be no meaningful difference?
 
@Evilroddy

Do you think a person who did not know much math, then studied, struggled, and ultimately learned higher maths would be in a better position to learn fundamental Biology after the completion of his/her new skills & abilities (in a different area), or would there be no meaningful difference?

xMathFanx:

Yes, the person would likely be in a better position to leatn Biology or any other discipline. But that better position would likely not be due to the study of maths. It would be due to the act of studying itself. The discipline, focus and methodology of studying the maths could also be applied to Biology, Geography, Chemistry, History, German Language Arts, etc. Studying anything forces a student to learn how to better learn just about anything in the academic world.

In some subjects and sub-disciplines of many subjects the maths skills would have a direct and very significant benefit. So the mastery of Mathematics would directly and greatly benefit someone studying Physics, Economics, Biometrics in Biology or Population Dynamics in Biology/Geography, Theory in Music or Symbolic Logic within Philosophy.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
xMathFanx:

Yes, the person would likely be in a better position to leatn Biology or any other discipline. But that better position would likely not be due to the study of maths. It would be due to the act of studying itself. The discipline, focus and methodology of studying the maths could also be applied to Biology, Geography, Chemistry, History, German Language Arts, etc. Studying anything forces a student to learn how to better learn just about anything in the academic world.

In some subjects and sub-disciplines of many subjects the maths skills would have a direct and very significant benefit. So the mastery of Mathematics would directly and greatly benefit someone studying Physics, Economics, Biometrics in Biology or Population Dynamics in Biology/Geography, Theory in Music or Symbolic Logic within Philosophy.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.

@Evilroddy

I agree with what you said, although I maintain there is an additional layer there yet unexplored. That is, in order to learn higher maths, one's ability to follow, comprehend, & work with arguments of higher-order complexity. Then, this ability, once achieved, can be translated elsewhere--which would make learning basic Biology (or anything) easier than previously.

Thoughts?
 
Nurture, I would put it down to 75%. But the big one everyone is missing is nutrition. Proper nutrition and an environment that encourages learning sees a kid grow up smart. That's why IQ is constantly on the rise as nutrition improves.
 
Is Intelligence Mostly Innate or Nurtured?

Now, it is near common knowledge that there is some level of intricate interplay between innate abilities and nurturing. However, which one plays a larger role? Please post your thoughts on the side that you feel is more responsible for various levels of intelligence in the Human population. If you are of the persuasion that it is 50-50, than please come down on either side or both sides of the debate when posting. Also, do you object to the framing of this question?--and rather feel that there is more to be discussed than explored here? Please indicate as such if you deem this to be the case while stating your reasoning.

Note: We are strictly discussing Human intelligence, as the innate differences between a Human and a frog are rather obvious/trivial to reasonably conclude/suppose.

Life is not a likelihood in our universe. There are trillions of possible planets for life and only one where we know it exists.

Given that set of numbers, intelligence is also unlikely.

To specifics, I feel that intelligence, absent any negative accidents or hinderance, is nature.

Exploiting that intelligence is nurture.

That nurturing might take the form of merely providing warmth and safety while the genius blooms and other times may require constant cultivation.

I know that some of my school mates were adept at "book learning", some were talented performers, some athletes, some communicators and some builders.

One thing is certain: We are greater as a whole when we are each allowed to blossom in our own positive ways.

Einstein was inspired riding on a trolley with the general theory of relativity that has in turn inspired millions to expand on his thoughts. Would his inspiration have occurred if he had been walking? Maybe and maybe not.

I had various friends who were talented mathematicians. Algebra leaves me behind. I found that I could draw an image accurately and rhyme words at a young age. My mathematician friends lacked these abilities.

We all found joy in doing what we were "good at". We were all afforded the luxury to pursue the things that gave us joy.

Nature undoubtedly gave us a platform on which we might build. Nurture gave us the safety to do so. Luck combined them at the right time for us to blossom.

I'll leave the percentages to my classmates. I'm just happy that I was able to enjoy the poetry I love.
 
@Evilroddy

I agree with what you said, although I maintain there is an additional layer there yet unexplored. That is, in order to learn higher maths, one's ability to follow, comprehend, & work with arguments of higher-order complexity. Then, this ability, once achieved, can be translated elsewhere--which would make learning basic Biology (or anything) easier than previously.

Thoughts?

xMathFanx:

I think I agree with what you're saying but (and there is always a but) I am unclear about one thing. The sentence bolded in the quote above is unclear to me. Can you explain what you mean in more detail before I respond to your question. I have many takes on a possible response depending on the specific meaning(s) of that sentence. Thanks in advance for any clarification you might offer.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
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