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    Re: Toytoa moving to solid state batteries for electic cars in 2020

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    I've ofte remarked that a battery that is half the size, half the weight, half the cost, and double the energy density of lithium ion is about a trillion dollar invention.
    I do not think that initially, it will be half the price. .. or double the energy density. At first, it will be a bit more expensive, and about the same energy density, but there is a definite path forward for getting to half the weight, half the cost and double the energy density. The increased temperature zone for it being useful might compensate for the price, and the fact it won't blow up will give plenty of motivation to adopt it. If they can get it EQUAL in performance and just slightly smaller without it blowing up, the cell phone makers will adopt it not to risk public relation disasters a la Samsung.

    Once it gets adopted, you will see price/performance improvements on it the same way they did with LED light bulbs.
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    Re: Toytoa moving to solid state batteries for electic cars in 2020

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    I do not think that initially, it will be half the price. .. or double the energy density. At first, it will be a bit more expensive, and about the same energy density, but there is a definite path forward for getting to half the weight, half the cost and double the energy density. The increased temperature zone for it being useful might compensate for the price, and the fact it won't blow up will give plenty of motivation to adopt it. If they can get it EQUAL in performance and just slightly smaller without it blowing up, the cell phone makers will adopt it not to risk public relation disasters a la Samsung.

    Once it gets adopted, you will see price/performance improvements on it the same way they did with LED light bulbs.
    Yes, incremental progress is more likely. At some point a critical mass, if you will, will be hit when the economics of the battery surpass that of gasoline. Then the floodgates open as more money pours into what is now a titanic new market.
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    Re: Toytoa moving to solid state batteries for electic cars in 2020

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    Yes, incremental progress is more likely. At some point a critical mass, if you will, will be hit when the economics of the battery surpass that of gasoline. Then the floodgates open as more money pours into what is now a titanic new market.
    From the sounds of it, the first batteries will be around the same price/performance but 5 times the durability,,, for the smaller batteries at least (the non-car ones). I don't know about the car batteries.. a bit more expensive for a 10 year life expectancy instead of a 2 year one is immense.
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    Re: Toytoa moving to solid state batteries for electic cars in 2020

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    I am sure that is assuming sticking to the speed limit. There are indications that it potentially can get higher than that.. but well, let's see if they can pull of the 500 mile range first!.. for that matter, even 350 to 400 with a charge time 6 times faster.

    And, having double the capacity for cell phones, with a 6 times faster charge time, and having a much longer durability will be much of an advantage for that industry too (as well as not worrying about cell phone blowing up!). That also will have implications with tablets and laptops. Also battery UPS devices.
    Yea. I am legitimately excited on this. A lot of rednecks like me would gladly switch IF they still have towing capacity and the ability to off road when needed.




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    Re: Toytoa moving to solid state batteries for electic cars in 2020

    Quote Originally Posted by blackjack50 View Post
    Yea. I am legitimately excited on this. A lot of rednecks like me would gladly switch IF they still have towing capacity and the ability to off road when needed.
    Well, if you look at the performance of the tesla sports, yes, it will have towing capcity (which of course will decrease the amount of time between charges), Singe one of the major items that is being developed with the current technology is getting a 1000 HP 12 rig electric truck , I am sure there will be plenty of towing capacity.
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