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    Re: Toytoa moving to solid state batteries for electic cars in 2020

    Quote Originally Posted by RAMOSS View Post
    https://techcrunch.com/2017/07/25/to...-cars-by-2020/

    Toytoa looks like it is making progress on making solid state batteries in production for it's cars in by 2020. THe solid state batteries have a number of advantages over the current technology.

    1) Safer. The solid state batteries will no longer have the flamable liquids and won't have the fire issues.
    2) Higher energy density. It should be able to hold double ` the current energy density of batteries being used now. Supposedly, that will give a 500 miles range on a charge.
    3) Durability. The solid state battery estimated life expectancy will be 10 years, not 2 years.
    4) It also charges 6 times faster than the current batteries.

    There are also some advances in solid state batteries that will improve on the ones that Toyota will be using in 3 years that might make things even more effective.
    500 miles? Wow. What speed of course? Because my truck and my girlfriend's car have a range of about 450 or so on highway.


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    Re: Toytoa moving to solid state batteries for electic cars in 2020

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    I think the world may be moving towards electric driven cars, but it is too early to assume how the energy will be carried.
    It may be batteries, but hydrogen fuel cells may end up winning.
    A few of the modern hybrids are true serial hybrids, meaning the wheels are only driven by electric motors.
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    It's all up for grabs - you are right.

    But whatever automaker or tech group comes up with a dominate technology like diesel or fuel injection, if they can patent it, they're going to clean-up house!
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    Re: Toytoa moving to solid state batteries for electic cars in 2020

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    It's all up for grabs - you are right.

    But whatever automaker or tech group comes up with a dominate technology like diesel or fuel injection, if they can patent it, they're going to clean-up house!
    You are likely correct, but it will have to compete with whatever else is coming down the pipe.
    Long term I really see fuel cells winning out, perhaps with some sort of reformer on board,
    so the fuel used would be liquid hydrocarbon based.

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    Re: Toytoa moving to solid state batteries for electic cars in 2020

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    With the world moving to electric cars in this century, if Toyota or another automotive company causes a pradigmatic shift in battery technology, while holding the patent, they will be in an amazing position.

    It would be tantamount to holding a patent on diesel or fuel-injection technology, last century.
    Can I buy stock now? Or do I need to wait? Lol


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    Re: Toytoa moving to solid state batteries for electic cars in 2020

    Quote Originally Posted by blackjack50 View Post
    500 miles? Wow. What speed of course? Because my truck and my girlfriend's car have a range of about 450 or so on highway.


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    I am sure that is assuming sticking to the speed limit. There are indications that it potentially can get higher than that.. but well, let's see if they can pull of the 500 mile range first!.. for that matter, even 350 to 400 with a charge time 6 times faster.

    And, having double the capacity for cell phones, with a 6 times faster charge time, and having a much longer durability will be much of an advantage for that industry too (as well as not worrying about cell phone blowing up!). That also will have implications with tablets and laptops. Also battery UPS devices.
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    Re: Toytoa moving to solid state batteries for electic cars in 2020

    Just to show that this technology is not vapor ware (which happens all too often)...

    A company is commercializing them, and the smaller batteries should be available within 2 years .. They are not quite on par cost wise with the liquid lithium-ion batteries, but once their use becomes more common, I am sure the price will go down

    Hitachi Zosen ready to commercialise solid state lithium battery | eeNews Europe

    Places where IMO, the smaller cell would be acceptable .. any place where safety is an issue., and durability too.
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    Re: Toytoa moving to solid state batteries for electic cars in 2020

    Quote Originally Posted by RAMOSS View Post
    https://techcrunch.com/2017/07/25/to...-cars-by-2020/

    Toytoa looks like it is making progress on making solid state batteries in production for it's cars in by 2020. THe solid state batteries have a number of advantages over the current technology.

    1) Safer. The solid state batteries will no longer have the flamable liquids and won't have the fire issues.
    2) Higher energy density. It should be able to hold double ` the current energy density of batteries being used now. Supposedly, that will give a 500 miles range on a charge.
    3) Durability. The solid state battery estimated life expectancy will be 10 years, not 2 years.
    4) It also charges 6 times faster than the current batteries.

    There are also some advances in solid state batteries that will improve on the ones that Toyota will be using in 3 years that might make things even more effective.
    Why don't they just use Kyber Crystals to power cars?
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    Re: Toytoa moving to solid state batteries for electic cars in 2020

    Quote Originally Posted by Renae View Post
    Why don't they just use Kyber Crystals to power cars?
    The source for them is far far away.. and were made long time ago.
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    Re: Toytoa moving to solid state batteries for electic cars in 2020

    I've ofte remarked that a battery that is half the size, half the weight, half the cost, and double the energy density of lithium ion is about a trillion dollar invention.
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    Re: Toytoa moving to solid state batteries for electic cars in 2020

    Quote Originally Posted by Renae View Post
    Why don't they just use Kyber Crystals to power cars?
    The source was destroyed by a gargantuan laser beam, their prices are going through the roof
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    Well, certainly the customer is not an N-word.
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