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Torrenting, Streaming, and Piracy

WillyPete said:
Not an attack. You're just arguing it's morally wrong, and that just doesn't interest me at all. Too many poster repeat the mantra, like those who disagree don't understand the words.

Don't pirate software if you think it's wrong, and I'll do the same. If you're looking to convince me of something, try a different tack.

I've presented my feeling on the subject in prior posts in this thread (#377, #393.) Check them out if you want more of my position on piracy. They aren't long reads.




It is simple. Like any pet peeve, it maybe bothers you and others, but it doesn't bother me.
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Okay so in the first post you reference you all but admit you're just taking advantage of a gap in security and it isn't a "principled stand" - though that argument tbh would hold zero water with me given that I put property rights pretty much above everything else - yet you do it anyway based on the reasoning that you wouldn't have bought the service anyway so you aren't impacting their profits and even if you were they make enough money anyway.

So do you mean to say that you don't consider it morally wrong or you just don't care?

Does that feeling extend to physical goods or is your lack of concern simply tied to the odds of you getting caught and punished?

I wonder if you can see if from the other side? How would you feel if you were the poor slob trying to feed his family by writing music, or producing software or whatever. I'd think you'd sing a radically different tune if it were your livelihood that was threatened.
 
Carjosse said:
Today I have received my second "notice of of copyright infringement" because HBO claims I pirated Game of Thrones. I would like to tell them to kindly go **** themselves.

The letter encourages me to please watch Game of Thrones legally, there is one problem with that HBO, you make that insanely difficult and expensive. If I wanted to watch this season of GoT legally it would cost me approximately $120, because like a lot of people these days I do not have a cable/satellite subscription and then on top of that I would have to pay for HBO itself. That price is ludicrous just to watch one show once a week. If HBO or any other company wants me to watch their content legally they need to offer a cheap and easy way to watch it, offer a GoT pass to HBO Go for like $10 or something instead of forcing me to buy a cable subscription.

Entertainment companies refuse to adapt to changing realities that digital is king and more and more people do not have cable. Whether the company produces movies, TV, or music they seem to be struggling that the digital world, primarily that streaming is a thing and their old mediums are either dead or dying. These companies fail to realize that the primary reason people pirate their stuff is they make their content expensive and hard to access. I don't want to have to buy a blu-ray when I all I want is a mkv file I can just stream to my Chromecast and watch whenever I want without having to buy hundreds or even thousands in hardware.

I figured this would be a good opportunity to discuss piracy and the failure of these companies to adapt to new technology and markets.
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You can subscribe to HBO for $15/month through Amazon or directly with their HBO go app... This has probably already been mentioned but I didn't want to go through pages and pages of posts. :lol:
 
Winchester said:
You can subscribe to HBO for $15/month through Amazon or directly with their HBO go app... This has probably already been mentioned but I didn't want to go through pages and pages of posts. :lol:
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Not available in Canada, cable subscription only.
 
So do you mean to say that you don't consider it morally wrong or you just don't care?
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Why not both?

Does that feeling extend to physical goods or is your lack of concern simply tied to the odds of you getting caught and punished?
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Different situation. If I steal physical item X, only I have access to X after that. Not so with intellectual property.

I wonder if you can see if from the other side? How would you feel if you were the poor slob trying to feed his family by writing music, or producing software or whatever. I'd think you'd sing a radically different tune if it were your livelihood that was threatened.
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Possibly. I am definitely more likely to pay for indie software than software produced by a large company.

That said, if it's a game or video that appears on my radar, then likely they are already enjoying at least moderate success (or it's offered freely.)

Also, I haven't seen anyone substantiate the idea that software piracy is a threat to anything or anyone. I'd be interested in anything that doesn't just point at some contrived profit-loss estimate.
 
WillyPete said:
That is incorrect as you don't know whether I ever would have taken part in the legal offering. Maybe I would have opted for some other free option.

And since they are pulling in ever increasing profits, it's pretty hard to feel sorry for the industry. They obviously aren't suffering for it.
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"If you are illegally downloading instead of subscribing" is the premise of the statement you declared incorrect. You should look up what a premise is before making such reactionary (and wrong) posts.
 
backpacker said:
"If you are illegally downloading instead of subscribing" is the premise of the statement you declared incorrect. You should look up what a premise is before making such reactionary (and wrong) posts.
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I dunno, I think we're communicating pretty clearly.
 
<alt>doxygen said:
I have hundreds of records and about 1,000 CD's (yeah, I still buy 'em sometimes). Most of that content exists as .wav or .flac files on multiple storage drives and one PC, which I use to maintain about 10 32GB uSD cards. I use those in the portable media player I take to the gym, on the road, etc. DVD's I only copy occasionally, but making a digital copy of musical recordings is literally the first thing I do when I get something.

The thing is, I don't put the content out in a publicly accessible place, so I have no issues.
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i have a 512GB microSD card with over 15 000 songs, 80% flac
 
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