Gender Dysphoria and Pyscedellic dysphoria.

Slingshot Bob said:

I have come to understand that gender dysphoria is a real condition. My question is, does anyone feel out of time and place due to the use of physcedellics? 15 years ago, I took a massive dose of shrooms (and quite a few more since, been about 4 years with none)

I felt like I fell into a catatonic state. I have a fear that sometimes comes from the clear blue in a sober state. That I never left that catatonia and my entire life for the last 15 years, is but a dream. Kinda like the matrix. I know it sounds crazy. An inner voice warned me in the beginning "this is a one way street, once you go don't it, there is no going back"

Did I listen? Hell no, Of course not. I remember some trips where 5 minutes felt like 5 lifetimes. If you have ever really tripped, you may be able to relate. If you have not, please keep your judgements to yourself.

My question is, can this be similar to gender dysphoria? PS, I don't have that, but do feel out of place, sometimes.

I don't let it eat me, I trust the power I believe in and go on living life. But it comes to bite me occasionally.

I have learned to live with it but it still haunts me on a blue moon.

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Nilly said:

Hmmm I don't have gender dysphoria but I have tripped and I'm quite certain they're not quite like each other. I guess the closest thing might be an out of body experience where you feel your mind and body are two separate entities rather than one and the same, but I'd still be very hesitant in comparing the two.

Good on you for recognizing it as an actual condition though.

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Slingshot Bob said:

I had a very real out of body EXP while, not on shrooms at the time, right after a pattern of regular use began. Words cant describe it , ineffable comes as close as any, folks around here already think I am crazy enough. We really don't know as much about "reality" as the combined lot of us imagine. So, while I find gender dysphoria odd, who am I to judge? I am not certain my last 15 years is but a few minutes in a catatonic state.

If it is, so be it. I enjoy life and it is good (even when it isn't)

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Slingshot Bob said:

I have come to understand that gender dysphoria is a real condition. My question is, does anyone feel out of time and place due to the use of physcedellics? 15 years ago, I took a massive dose of shrooms (and quite a few more since, been about 4 years with none)

I felt like I fell into a catatonic state. I have a fear that sometimes comes from the clear blue in a sober state. That I never left that catatonia and my entire life for the last 15 years, is but a dream. Kinda like the matrix. I know it sounds crazy. An inner voice warned me in the beginning "this is a one way street, once you go don't it, there is no going back"

Did I listen? Hell no, Of course not. I remember some trips where 5 minutes felt like 5 lifetimes. If you have ever really tripped, you may be able to relate. If you have not, please keep your judgements to yourself.

My question is, can this be similar to gender dysphoria? PS, I don't have that, but do feel out of place, sometimes.

I don't let it eat me, I trust the power I believe in and go on living life. But it comes to bite me occasionally.

I have learned to live with it but it still haunts me on a blue moon.

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ecofarm said:

Your last 15 years is a few minutes in my catatonic state. You don't actually exist, never did.

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Chomsky said:

Are you complete drug and substance free, now? Even from prescription drugs?

Also stress can have weird trippy like effects.

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Slingshot Bob said:

I have come to understand that gender dysphoria is a real condition. My question is, does anyone feel out of time and place due to the use of physcedellics? 15 years ago, I took a massive dose of shrooms (and quite a few more since, been about 4 years with none)

I felt like I fell into a catatonic state. I have a fear that sometimes comes from the clear blue in a sober state. That I never left that catatonia and my entire life for the last 15 years, is but a dream. Kinda like the matrix. I know it sounds crazy. An inner voice warned me in the beginning "this is a one way street, once you go don't it, there is no going back"

Did I listen? Hell no, Of course not. I remember some trips where 5 minutes felt like 5 lifetimes. If you have ever really tripped, you may be able to relate. If you have not, please keep your judgements to yourself.

My question is, can this be similar to gender dysphoria? PS, I don't have that, but do feel out of place, sometimes.

I don't let it eat me, I trust the power I believe in and go on living life. But it comes to bite me occasionally.

I have learned to live with it but it still haunts me on a blue moon.

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Goshin said:

You're actually here. Just trust me on this one. I know *I* am, so since I'm reading your post I figure you are also.


Never did psychedelics, but i can kind of relate.... doc put me on Chantix once to quit smoking. That stuff messed with my head. Really bizarre dreams that haunt me to this day. A sense of unreality or disconnectedness at odd times while awake. Feeling like a stranger in my own head.

Stopped taking it after less than a week. Took a couple weeks more before I was entirely out of Uncanny Valley. Never touch that stuff again. Some of my friends had incidents on that stuff too, and a pharmaceutical buddy told me it could make permanent changes in your neural pathways.

Creepy stuff.

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Slingshot Bob said:

I drink beer and smoke weed rarely. No real stress other than normal life stress, I am enjoying the best years in my life, up to this point.

No pills either, this occasional phenomonom has been with me ever since. It really does not bother me, just shows up once in a while.

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Chomsky said:

Good for you, on not using (much). I live seriously clean & sober, and I love it!

But I very stupidly tripped on the old real-deal '60's acid several times, way back in my early teens. And each time it sucked because it caused me high anxiety. I got too nervous and paranoid. Didn't enjoy it at all. Some of the effects I think, were actually due to my anxiety!

But interestingly, years later I ran into some of the old guys from back then, and we got to talking about old times. One of them said when he was super stressed or fatigued, he felt a little trippy. And we all kinda' agreed on that, too some degree.

I'm not necessarily saying there's some lasting biological effect. But I do think those of us that have expanded our minds psychedelically, are a lot more aware of the fragility of perception and consciousness, and are more attune to noticing wrinkles and distortions in our perception and consciousness. Such as when we're super stressed, or fatigued.

My take on it, anyway ... Happy Trails ... :mrgreen:

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Slingshot Bob said:

So my question is, how is gender dysphoria any different than feeling out of time and place, psycehedellics change your chemistry. I realize I will get a lot of flack from this thread by a lot of people who will promote gender dysphoria but ridicule me. Whats the difference?

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spud_meister said:

Gender dysphoria is a physiological difference with the brain. You've just ****ed with your brain chemistry, it's more similar to schizophrenia or bi-polar, a mental illness.

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Hawkeye10 said:

Maybe it is time for a study showing what happens when people who suffer from this gender issue take brain altering drugs. Maybe we can snap their brains into proper correlation with their bodies. This would be a hell of a lot cheaper and probably faster than what we do now.

I did acid three times. It was life changing.

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Slingshot Bob said:

Now there is a thought! I suspect anyone who has dosed up, undergoes some form of rewiring. Science does a big disservice by not giving this the research it deserves.

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Hawkeye10 said:

Dont get me started on what science does not do or does poorly, getting to the point of overt lying.

There was just in the last year another great study on how acid helps in the treatment of addictions (It serves both drugs and alcohol) after many decades of refusing to look, we most certainly carry on, see if it works for this. We know of course that the next thing I will hear from many is "But But But that would be saying that there is something wrong with these folks and victims are never wrong so we cant be having that!" yadda yadda yadda....

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Slingshot Bob said:

The Government and Mainstream medical science hinders research into this field. It says something when these drugs are Schedule one, while cocaine and heroin are schedule two. Mushrooms show promise for the treatment of cluster headaches, a debilitating condition. The gov cares more about prohibiting these drugs than allowing their potential to be tapped for the betterment of humanity.

Not surprising, given they can be freely had in nature and cant be patented.

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Hawkeye10 said:

I currupt societies "Follow the money" tends to work.

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Chomsky said:

Good for you, on not using (much). I live seriously clean & sober, and I love it!

But I very stupidly tripped on the old real-deal '60's acid several times, way back in my early teens. And each time it sucked because it caused me high anxiety. I got too nervous and paranoid. Didn't enjoy it at all. Some of the effects I think, were actually due to my anxiety!

But interestingly, years later I ran into some of the old guys from back then, and we got to talking about old times. One of them said when he was super stressed or fatigued, he felt a little trippy. And we all kinda' agreed on that, too some degree.

I'm not necessarily saying there's some lasting biological effect. But I do think those of us that have expanded our minds psychedelically, are a lot more aware of the fragility of perception and consciousness, and are more attune to noticing wrinkles and distortions in our perception and consciousness. Such as when we're super stressed, or fatigued.

My take on it, anyway ... Happy Trails ... :mrgreen:

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Slingshot Bob said:

I have come to understand that gender dysphoria is a real condition. My question is, does anyone feel out of time and place due to the use of physcedellics? 15 years ago, I took a massive dose of shrooms (and quite a few more since, been about 4 years with none)

I felt like I fell into a catatonic state. I have a fear that sometimes comes from the clear blue in a sober state. That I never left that catatonia and my entire life for the last 15 years, is but a dream. Kinda like the matrix. I know it sounds crazy. An inner voice warned me in the beginning "this is a one way street, once you go don't it, there is no going back"

Did I listen? Hell no, Of course not. I remember some trips where 5 minutes felt like 5 lifetimes. If you have ever really tripped, you may be able to relate. If you have not, please keep your judgements to yourself.

My question is, can this be similar to gender dysphoria? PS, I don't have that, but do feel out of place, sometimes.

I don't let it eat me, I trust the power I believe in and go on living life. But it comes to bite me occasionally.

I have learned to live with it but it still haunts me on a blue moon.

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<alt>doxygen said:

I didn't get around to trying psychedelics until the 70's. What we had access to then was probably weaker than the 60's stuff, but a few times I got some pretty amazing stuff. I didn't take it that many times, and I never took it twice without a long gap between trips. I attribute never having had flashbacks to my infrequent indulgence. I honestly didn't believe in flashbacks until I read some stuff written by the hippie generation and saw how much they took.

I did take way too much once, and that got hairy for about 30-60 minutes (not sure, lol). My equilibrium was gone and my field of vision split into many spinning slices, some of which were inverted. Once that cleared, I was relatively OK.

Had a few out of body experiences as a kid that to my knowledge they had nothing to do with drugs. More like a meditative state than anything else. Weird, slightly unpleasant but fascinating.

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Chomsky said:

Interesting.

Has anyone ever ascertained that flash-backs are a real phenomenon? Because I never met anyone that claimed they experienced one.

I was only briefly tangent to that scene as a teen, so I can't say I now know a lot of people that tripped. I do seem to meet a lot on this board, though! :2razz:

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