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Gender Dysphoria and Pyscedellic dysphoria.

<alt>doxygen said:
I can't distinctly recall anyone telling me about the flashback experience directly. I started believing after reading a couple of memoirs by musicians who used a lot of it. The one that made the biggest impression was written by Keith Richards.

I can't actually attest to them myself, and I'm glad.;)

Might be a good non-political thread question.
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Yes, they are quite real, similar to a panic attack. Every once in a great while, pot can trigger one for me. I greatly reduced my consumption, part of the reason.

I bet I ate shrooms 300 times with at least 50 doses being ridiculously large. I truly doubt I will ever feel the need to eat them again.

It would be very hard to physically OD, something like 3,000 times the normal dose, the toxicity is low.
 
I thought this thread deserved some pics psilocybe cubensis is beautiful . The latin translates to Bald headed, Coming from the island of Cubath4N8WV3AN.jpgth5SDEIYMO.jpgth667OH7DG.jpgThere is magic in them thar shrooms.
 
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Slingshot Bob said:
Yes, they are quite real, similar to a panic attack. Every once in a great while, pot can trigger one for me. I greatly reduced my consumption, part of the reason.

I bet I ate shrooms 300 times with at least 50 doses being ridiculously large. I truly doubt I will ever feel the need to eat them again.

It would be very hard to physically OD, something like 3,000 times the normal dose, the toxicity is low.
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Not enough CBD is likely the problem, I add in some AC/DC to every grind now, and it helps a lot.
 
Slingshot Bob said:
Are you making a play on the band or does my pot need something?
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CBD is the non-psychoactive component of weed that can help with medical problems.

You are in FL - I go in for my exam to get a medMJ permit next Monday. I have severe nerve problems.
 
Slingshot Bob said:
Yes, they are quite real, similar to a panic attack. Every once in a great while, pot can trigger one for me. I greatly reduced my consumption, part of the reason.

I bet I ate shrooms 300 times with at least 50 doses being ridiculously large. I truly doubt I will ever feel the need to eat them again.

It would be very hard to physically OD, something like 3,000 times the normal dose, the toxicity is low.
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Wow. I thought that 400 mics of acid I took was bad. I'm sure you went way farther than I did.

Acid won't kill you either, but some personalities don't handle it well.
 
<alt>doxygen said:
Wow. I thought that 400 mics of acid I took was bad. I'm sure you went way farther than I did.

Acid won't kill you either, but some personalities don't handle it well.
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Well, for better or worse, here I am. I plan to leave well enough alone, at this point.

The majority of that was in my early 20's. In many ways it helped me, but it was not an easy path.
 
<alt>doxygen said:
CBD is the non-psychoactive component of weed that can help with medical problems.

You are in FL - I go in for my exam to get a medMJ permit next Monday. I have severe nerve problems.
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I know that, I was wondering what his AC/DC referred to? The band, I presume. My old lady tokes enough good stuff, I get a contact buzz:)
 
<alt>doxygen said:
I can't distinctly recall anyone telling me about the flashback experience directly. I started believing after reading a couple of memoirs by musicians who used a lot of it. The one that made the biggest impression was written by Keith Richards.

I can't actually attest to them myself, and I'm glad.;)

Might be a good non-political thread question.
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"Life"?

I have it, but didn't finish it. I made it to somewhere in the book to the mid '70's, but never noticed that reference.
 
Slingshot Bob said:
They both equal a physiological difference in brain chemistry. Did you know psciloybin differs from serotonin by one molecule? Did you know DMT is endogenous? Can you tell me on what basis you form your opinion?
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No, Gender Dysphoria is a permanent difference in regard to brain structure. A chemical imbalance is just that. Did you know water differs from bleach by one atom? Did you know that bleach is endogenous? I form my opinion on the information you've provided. You've cleary developed some sort of issue regarding your perception of time after screwing around your brain chemistry with psychoactive compounds.
 
Chomsky said:
"Life"?

I have it, but didn't finish it. I made it to somewhere in the book to the mid '70's, but never noticed that reference.
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:mrgreen: at myself!

I have the e-version, so I looked it up.

I tend to read as I'm going to sleep. I think I must have been a little too far towards the sleep realm when I read this, but here's what I think I was referring to.

Page 207:
"“Post-acid” was the prevailing mood at Redlands on a cold February morning in 1967. Post-acid: everybody arrives back with their feet on the ground, so to speak, and you’ve been with them all day, doing all kinds of nuts things and laughing your head off; you’ve gone for walks on the beach and you’re freezing cold and you’re not wearing any shoes and you’re wondering why you’ve got frostbite. The comedown hits everybody in a different way. Some people are going, let’s do it again, and others are going, enough already. And you can flash back into full acid drive at any moment.
There’s a knock at the door, I look through the window and there’s this whole lot of dwarves outside, but they’re all wearing the same clothes! They were policemen, but I didn’t know it. They just looked like very small people wearing dark blue with shiny bits and helmets. “Wonderful attire! Am I expecting you? Anyway, come on in, it’s a bit chilly out.” They were trying to read a warrant to me. “Oh, that’s very nice, but it’s a bit cold outside, come on in and read it to me over the fireplace.” I’d never been busted before and I was still on acid. Oh, make friends. Love. Not from me would there be “You cannot come in until I speak to my lawyer.” It was “Yeah, come on in!” And then roughly disabused."

I remembered that as "flashback", but he doesn't really say that.

Checked 2 other rock bios I have in digital, and can't find anything.

But Bob says they're real, and this is his thread. ;)
 
spud_meister said:
No, Gender Dysphoria is a permanent difference in regard to brain structure. A chemical imbalance is just that. Did you know water differs from bleach by one atom? Did you know that bleach is endogenous? I form my opinion on the information you've provided. You've cleary developed some sort of issue regarding your perception of time after screwing around your brain chemistry with psychoactive compounds.
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There is so many things wrong I don't know where to begin, first of all, lets start here. I recently learned about gender dysphoria, are there peer reviewed, medical science research you can refer me (and Others too)? I don't know much about it but I do know, there is a lot of junk science to support nearly anything these days

That being said, you say I am undergoing a chemical imbalance (your diagnosis of mental illness and schizophrenia, notwithstanding)
So, 15 years later, can I expect my imbalance to abate soon? Bleach may be endogenous, but is bleach DMT?

There are many things people really don't know, they will ridicule some and champion others.
 
Slingshot Bob said:
There is so many things wrong I don't know where to begin, first of all, lets start here. I recently learned about gender dysphoria, are there peer reviewed, medical science research you can refer me (and Others too)? I don't know much about it but I do know, there is a lot of junk science to support nearly anything these days
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https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-there-something-unique-about-the-transgender-brain/

That being said, you say I am undergoing a chemical imbalance (your diagnosis of mental illness and schizophrenia, notwithstanding)
So, 15 years later, can I expect my imbalance to abate soon?
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Well, I'm not a neurologist, so not for sure, but we know that psylocybin intake affects serotonin and dopamine receptors, both of which are implicated with our perception of time:
https://www.researchgate.net/profil...uropsychiatric-and-Neurological-Disorders.pdf
NEUROPHARMACOLOGY AND TIME PERCEPTION Time perception is involved in many aspects of our lives. The knowledge of the brain structures involved in each scale (i.e., milliseconds, minutes, hours, days, weeks or years) is extremely important to understand the dynamics that regulate our perception. However, we know that some neurotransmitters participate in modulating the operation of these structures. The main neurotransmitters underlying time perception are dopamine (DA) and acetylcholine. These neurotransmitters are associated with different mechanisms. Other neurotransmitters as serotonin (5-HT), norepinephrine, glutamate and -aminobutyric acid are also relevant and influenced by changes in DA and acetylcholine
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Bleach may be endogenous, but is bleach DMT?
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My point was rather than simply being endogenous isn't significant.

There are many things people really don't know, they will ridicule some and champion others.
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True, but gender dysphoria is still related to physical brain structure, whereas time perception is linked to neurotransmitters.
 
spud_meister said:
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-there-something-unique-about-the-transgender-brain/



Well, I'm not a neurologist, so not for sure, but we know that psylocybin intake affects serotonin and dopamine receptors, both of which are implicated with our perception of time:
https://www.researchgate.net/profil...uropsychiatric-and-Neurological-Disorders.pdf




My point was rather than simply being endogenous isn't significant.



True, but gender dysphoria is still related to physical brain structure, whereas time perception is linked to neurotransmitters.
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Thank you for the research, I read it with interest, it seems inconclusive and surely not at all peer reviewed.

The concept of time is just a concept. Sign in the bar says "free beer tomorrow" Come back tomorrow, barkeep points at the sign.

Today is the only relevant day, yesterday is just a memory. Tomorrow is always 24 hours away. Only today is a physical reality that you can experience.
 
<alt>doxygen said:
:mrgreen: at myself!

I have the e-version, so I looked it up.

I tend to read as I'm going to sleep. I think I must have been a little too far towards the sleep realm when I read this, but here's what I think I was referring to.

Page 207:
"“Post-acid” was the prevailing mood at Redlands on a cold February morning in 1967. Post-acid: everybody arrives back with their feet on the ground, so to speak, and you’ve been with them all day, doing all kinds of nuts things and laughing your head off; you’ve gone for walks on the beach and you’re freezing cold and you’re not wearing any shoes and you’re wondering why you’ve got frostbite. The comedown hits everybody in a different way. Some people are going, let’s do it again, and others are going, enough already. And you can flash back into full acid drive at any moment.
There’s a knock at the door, I look through the window and there’s this whole lot of dwarves outside, but they’re all wearing the same clothes! They were policemen, but I didn’t know it. They just looked like very small people wearing dark blue with shiny bits and helmets. “Wonderful attire! Am I expecting you? Anyway, come on in, it’s a bit chilly out.” They were trying to read a warrant to me. “Oh, that’s very nice, but it’s a bit cold outside, come on in and read it to me over the fireplace.” I’d never been busted before and I was still on acid. Oh, make friends. Love. Not from me would there be “You cannot come in until I speak to my lawyer.” It was “Yeah, come on in!” And then roughly disabused."

I remembered that as "flashback", but he doesn't really say that.

Checked 2 other rock bios I have in digital, and can't find anything.

But Bob says they're real, and this is his thread. ;)
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Believe me, I wont wish you to see them!
 
Slingshot Bob said:
Thank you for the research, I read it with interest, it seems inconclusive and surely not at all peer reviewed.

The concept of time is just a concept. Sign in the bar says "free beer tomorrow" Come back tomorrow, barkeep points at the sign.

Today is the only relevant day, yesterday is just a memory. Tomorrow is always 24 hours away. Only today is a physical reality that you can experience.
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Time is the perception of causality in a linear sequence. Our brain uses neurochemicals to measure and store information about this linear sequence. We use causal events to understand time as it progresses, the past is causal events that we've been affected by, the present is what's affecting us, and the future is the progression of the present. Terms such as yesterday, today and tomorrow are a way of describing causality based on the rotation of the earth, nothing more.
 
I was quite the mushroom man back in the day...I was a tea guy, because you could consume a lot more that way without feeling gross. And I was also taking a bunch of ecstasy at the same time...hehe...ya, it was a bit of a spacey period, before I simmered down and got on with life. Wasn't much of a fan of the E after I stopped, but I always loved shrooms, and plan to revisit them when I retire.

I haven't had the same experience as you with mushrooms, I was always really in control while on them, even when my senses were going in every direction, visions and hallucinations never scared me (other than the first time I tried them, and then went and saw Resident Evil in the movie theatre...yup, I'm was a dumbass). But I do feel like they changed me a bit ... not in a bad way, just...as if I got to see behind the curtain for a sec, and now all of this feels...not quite right. Disappointing, somehow, like things should have turned out better by now in certain areas of my life. Which is weird, because I have a pretty good life... Maybe it's just that when I would trip out, I would get a better sense of who I wanted to be, before I had to make some of the decisions we all have to make out of necessity, vs what we would do if we could pick any path we chose. Shrooms can be a pretty intense reflective / insightful trip - there's a reason shamans everywhere they grow used them for thousands of years.

I also had a pretty serious concussion when I was a kid - temporarily lost my memory, didn't know who I was, and the only real memory I have of it to this day, between heading out on my bike and being at the hospital is "seeing" the gash..on the back of my head - ya, figure that one out, because I can't...hehe. It's crossed my mind as a "what if"...what if I never woke up, what if all of this is going on in my head...hehe... But my responsibilities are real enough, so that grounds me pretty quickly... :) Would make for a pretty trippy mind ****, though...hehe... If it's all a dream, is the fact that you're discussing it a construct of my fantasy, or do I exist as a construct of yours...and what does it all mean, man!? lol...

Don't know how this relates to the whole gender dysphoria aspect, I'm not an expert on that, so I can't really speak to it...but cool thread, fun to chat about. Hope you figure it out... :)
 
OlNate said:
I was quite the mushroom man back in the day...I was a tea guy, because you could consume a lot more that way without feeling gross. And I was also taking a bunch of ecstasy at the same time...hehe...ya, it was a bit of a spacey period, before I simmered down and got on with life. Wasn't much of a fan of the E after I stopped, but I always loved shrooms, and plan to revisit them when I retire.

I haven't had the same experience as you with mushrooms, I was always really in control while on them, even when my senses were going in every direction, visions and hallucinations never scared me (other than the first time I tried them, and then went and saw Resident Evil in the movie theatre...yup, I'm was a dumbass). But I do feel like they changed me a bit ... not in a bad way, just...as if I got to see behind the curtain for a sec, and now all of this feels...not quite right. Disappointing, somehow, like things should have turned out better by now in certain areas of my life. Which is weird, because I have a pretty good life... Maybe it's just that when I would trip out, I would get a better sense of who I wanted to be, before I had to make some of the decisions we all have to make out of necessity, vs what we would do if we could pick any path we chose. Shrooms can be a pretty intense reflective / insightful trip - there's a reason shamans everywhere they grow used them for thousands of years.

I also had a pretty serious concussion when I was a kid - temporarily lost my memory, didn't know who I was, and the only real memory I have of it to this day, between heading out on my bike and being at the hospital is "seeing" the gash..on the back of my head - ya, figure that one out, because I can't...hehe. It's crossed my mind as a "what if"...what if I never woke up, what if all of this is going on in my head...hehe... But my responsibilities are real enough, so that grounds me pretty quickly... :) Would make for a pretty trippy mind ****, though...hehe... If it's all a dream, is the fact that you're discussing it a construct of my fantasy, or do I exist as a construct of yours...and what does it all mean, man!? lol...

Don't know how this relates to the whole gender dysphoria aspect, I'm not an expert on that, so I can't really speak to it...but cool thread, fun to chat about. Hope you figure it out... :)
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Excellent response Olnate. A lot to chew on. I saw the first of the matrix trilogy on LSA (morning glory seeds) Might have something to do with it:)

Life is a very strange trip! Your last sentence is the crux of my situation! How can we ever know, for sure?

This is why I say "I don't worry and have made peace with it" IF I stayed awake worrying it, I would never sleep!

It is just a thing that haunts me in a sometimes to real way, that seems to never go away. It is rare but when it hits, it is very unsettling. Not sure if this is related to gender dysphoria either, but both seem to be a brain chemistry issue.
 
<alt>doxygen said:
:mrgreen: at myself!

I have the e-version, so I looked it up.

I tend to read as I'm going to sleep. I think I must have been a little too far towards the sleep realm when I read this, but here's what I think I was referring to.

Page 207:
"“Post-acid” was the prevailing mood at Redlands on a cold February morning in 1967. Post-acid: everybody arrives back with their feet on the ground, so to speak, and you’ve been with them all day, doing all kinds of nuts things and laughing your head off; you’ve gone for walks on the beach and you’re freezing cold and you’re not wearing any shoes and you’re wondering why you’ve got frostbite. The comedown hits everybody in a different way. Some people are going, let’s do it again, and others are going, enough already. And you can flash back into full acid drive at any moment.
There’s a knock at the door, I look through the window and there’s this whole lot of dwarves outside, but they’re all wearing the same clothes! They were policemen, but I didn’t know it. They just looked like very small people wearing dark blue with shiny bits and helmets. “Wonderful attire! Am I expecting you? Anyway, come on in, it’s a bit chilly out.” They were trying to read a warrant to me. “Oh, that’s very nice, but it’s a bit cold outside, come on in and read it to me over the fireplace.” I’d never been busted before and I was still on acid. Oh, make friends. Love. Not from me would there be “You cannot come in until I speak to my lawyer.” It was “Yeah, come on in!” And then roughly disabused."

I remembered that as "flashback", but he doesn't really say that.

Checked 2 other rock bios I have in digital, and can't find anything.

But Bob says they're real, and this is his thread. ;)
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Maybe we should ask Jim!


 
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