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Anti-Vaccine: Please Stop!

But it's my body that's at risk because of your negligence (theoretically...I've had my shots...though I can't be sure that those shots work for me, unless I know I've been exposed to the illness and didn't catch it, I guess, so perhaps not theoretical). Same question as before...

I have no idea why I need to explain it further. If your right depends on aggression occurring, as yours most assuredly does, then it is not a right at all, but just violence done to get your way.
 
I have no idea why I need to explain it further. If your right depends on aggression occurring, as yours most assuredly does, then it is not a right at all, but just violence done to get your way.

Getting a non-harmful vaccination in order to protect the population from contagious, possibly life threatening diseases is violence now? C'mon. Calm the rhetoric a tad, that's just silly.

And again, for the flip flop, if your right depends on exposing me to risk of a completely life threatening illness, which, let's face it, while the extreme of the example it is entirely within the realm of reasonable possibility, then it is not a right at all, but just a selfish negligence that could result in deaths, so you can get your way.

Back to the original question....
 
Getting a non-harmful vaccination in order to protect the population from contagious, possibly life threatening diseases is violence now? C'mon. Calm the rhetoric a tad, that's just silly.

It's not violence to force people to have things injected into their body? Why is that?

And again, for the flip flop, if your right depends on exposing me to risk of a completely life threatening illness, which, let's face it, while the extreme of the example it is entirely within the realm of reasonable possibility, then it is not a right at all, but just a selfish negligence that could result in deaths, so you can get your way.

I'm exposing you to what again? I'm pretty sure the disease exists naturally and not getting an injection to fight it just doesn't lower your risk to getting it. That is quite different than someone purposely doing something like releasing something into the atmosphere that makes you sick.
 
Measles. FREAKING MEASELS! They are coming back because of you anti vaccine idiots. I understand rejecting a flu vaccine...sort of. But not really. But MEASELS! Does anyone know where the anti MEASELS vaccine crowd came from? What's next? Rejecting polio and smallpox? Maybe we should save fleas and bring back the bubonic plague?

The Anti-Vaccination Movement | Think

Then of course the stuff making it around Facebook too.

What is your 2 cents?

Many parents of autistic children suspect vaccines--a minimum of 21 vaccines by age six--as the probable culprit though most scientific studies do not come to that conclusion. Nor do those studies rule it out as they don't KNOW what causes autism.

I recently read an account where the nurse was preparing to vaccinate a child and had the needle in position for the shot, almost touching the skin, when the child had a grand mal seizure, the first for that child. Had that seizure happened a second after that vaccination was given, there is no force on Earth that would have convinced the mother of that child that the vaccine didn't cause that seizure.

Parents are wanting answers for why their children are autistic, and many are convinced that there is much more autism now than there was before there were so many vaccines. When I started school, for instance, we kids had to have our DPT and smallpox vaccination and that was it. Shots for measles, mumps, etc. hadn't been invented.
We received a polio vaccine dispensed on sugar cubes sometime during elementary school.

Science has wondered if our highly processed food diet is the culprit or GMOs or freeway traffic noise (an unusually high number of autistic children who lived near a California freeway were diagnosed.) There is no gene pool for it, so some external cause seems probable. But what? The only common denominator that has shown up so far is that all the autistic children received all those vaccines. So the suspicion of the vaccines is not entirely irrational.

And science has not been successful so far in providing any answers.
 
It's not violence to force people to have things injected into their body? Why is that?



I'm exposing you to what again? I'm pretty sure the disease exists naturally and not getting an injection to fight it just doesn't lower your risk to getting it. That is quite different than someone purposely doing something like releasing something into the atmosphere that makes you sick.

Because it's not, enough with the drama. I'm not going to bother wasting more time on that than I already have...as I said before, silly.

As for what you're exposing me to, check out the below re: herd immunity. The more anti-vaxxers we have running around, the more exposed the rest of us are.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd_immunity

Back to the original question.......
 
Because it's not, enough with the drama. I'm not going to bother wasting more time on that than I already have...as I said before, silly.

Forcing someone to do something with their body is violent, period.

As for what you're exposing me to, check out the below re: herd immunity. The more anti-vaxxers we have running around, the more exposed the rest of us are.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd_immunity

So? You're talking about people not taking steps to avoid disease resulting in the disease acting as it normally would.
 
Forcing someone to do something with their body is violent, period.

So? You're talking about people not taking steps to avoid disease resulting in the disease acting as it normally would.

*sigh*....

vi·o·lence
/ˈvī(ə)ləns/
noun
noun: violence

behavior involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something.

Not violence...at least, not if you're speaking English. I'm not an expert in other languages, but I'm pretty sure someone speaking French or Swahili would think it's a false equivalency as well.

As for the preventing a disease to act as it naturally would....man, you gotta reach far for that one.

"Er, judge, I was just letting the water do it's natural thing by freezing outside my shop, so please throw this slip and fall out of court".
 
Sure, reactions can happen, the reaction we're talking about is (amongst other things) several neurological differences that are present from birth. Are vaccine reactions time travelers?

I know, and it is well documented, that individuals can have negative reactions to vaccines. Autism is not an allergic reaction, it is a complex syndrome of many neurological and genetic abnormalities. If you're claiming vaccines cause autism, you're gonna have to show me how, or I'll just laugh at you too.

I don't claim that they do... but I do claim that it is not 100% guaranteed that they don't either. Scientists find out things years and decades later as science improves. There are too many variables. They may find that some kids that at walnuts the day before the vaccine and that strange chemical reaction gave them autism for all we know.
 
So you have the right to expose my family to MEASELS?

Does he have the measles? If not then relax.


My daughter almost died due to an MMR adverse reaction that they can't explain... talk about dumbassery... :roll:
 
My daughter almost died due to an MMR adverse reaction that they can't explain... talk about dumbassery... :roll:

Talk about medical exemption.
 
*sigh*....

vi·o·lence
/ˈvī(ə)ləns/
noun
noun: violence

behavior involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something.

Not violence...at least, not if you're speaking English. I'm not an expert in other languages, but I'm pretty sure someone speaking French or Swahili would think it's a false equivalency as well.

As for the preventing a disease to act as it naturally would....man, you gotta reach far for that one.

"Er, judge, I was just letting the water do it's natural thing by freezing outside my shop, so please throw this slip and fall out of court".

So if a law mandates people have something injected into their body and they refuse exactly what do you think happens to them? Does the government just let that slide?

It's also hardly a reach at all. Things happening as they naturally would are not caused by outside forces. That's pretty obvious.
 
Except in a small number of people, the vaccine is ineffective, so I might vaccinate my kids, but it might not work. If suddenly there is a lot of people choosing to exercise their right not to take the vaccine, and my kid gets sick, despite my doing everything I can to protect them, then we have a problem, no?

You did what you could to protect them. It didn't work due to their own body chemistry.

His kid might die by taking the vaccine due to their body chemistry.

Life isn't fair.
 
Ya know what bothers me a lot of that position?

It basically is saying that these parents would prefer to risk their child being crippled by potentially fatal diseases rather than have to deal with their child being autistic.

The issue is the amount of under-reporting. It is rampant. As high as 90%

Hahaha oh man that was great.



Except he missed the point... you too I guess.
 
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No I got the point just fine, you have made up your mind and no amount of scientific evidence will convince you.

Regarding what?
 
Just saw this thought it was relevant to the thread

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So if a law mandates people have something injected into their body and they refuse exactly what do you think happens to them? Does the government just let that slide?

It's also hardly a reach at all. Things happening as they naturally would are not caused by outside forces. That's pretty obvious.

Well, I expect that the government would look at all the options they have available to those who break the law. If it were required by law to have vaccines, and remember, I've also said elsewhere in this thread that if they were to do this, they would need to come up with a way to screen for people who would experience some kind of sensitivity - an allergic reaction, for example - and exempt them based on medical reasons, and someone chose to break that law, I expect it would be the same as anyone else who would break the law.

You did what you could to protect them. It didn't work due to their own body chemistry.

His kid might die by taking the vaccine due to their body chemistry.

Life isn't fair.

See above, where I advocate for medical testing to ensure that folks taking it would be able to do so safely. You don't need 100% vaccination to assure "herd immunity", so anyone truly at risk could be exempted. But it should be for a real reason....people just saying "Uh, I read in some click bait article that vaccines give you aww-tizm, so **** my kid's safety and **** your kid's safety, they ain't gettin' them, I know better than 99% of the medical community" doesn't cut it for me.
 
The issue is the amount of under-reporting. It is rampant. As high as 90%





Except he missed the point... you too I guess.

Great, cite the studies; peer reviewed journals, primary research papers. Thanks!
 
Well, I expect that the government would look at all the options they have available to those who break the law. If it were required by law to have vaccines, and remember, I've also said elsewhere in this thread that if they were to do this, they would need to come up with a way to screen for people who would experience some kind of sensitivity - an allergic reaction, for example - and exempt them based on medical reasons, and someone chose to break that law, I expect it would be the same as anyone else who would break the law.



See above, where I advocate for medical testing to ensure that folks taking it would be able to do so safely. You don't need 100% vaccination to assure "herd immunity", so anyone truly at risk could be exempted. But it should be for a real reason....people just saying "Uh, I read in some click bait article that vaccines give you aww-tizm, so **** my kid's safety and **** your kid's safety, they ain't gettin' them, I know better than 99% of the medical community" doesn't cut it for me.

What about reactions that occur despite being tested or without known prior allergic reactions?
 
Measles. FREAKING MEASELS! They are coming back because of you anti vaccine idiots. I understand rejecting a flu vaccine...sort of. But not really. But MEASELS! Does anyone know where the anti MEASELS vaccine crowd came from? What's next? Rejecting polio and smallpox? Maybe we should save fleas and bring back the bubonic plague?

The Anti-Vaccination Movement | Think

Then of course the stuff making it around Facebook too.

What is your 2 cents?


I think the mandatory vaccines are fine except the HepB, which was added to the list just before my daughter was born. I had a choice for her with the chicken pox, and chose not to vaccinate and let her get it the old fashion way. I don't feel certain vaccines should be mandatory, but they are starting to be, like the flu vaccine and the HepA. Only CT has it mandatory for the flu vaccine.....hopefully they use the non-mercury vaccines!
 
Well, I expect that the government would look at all the options they have available to those who break the law. If it were required by law to have vaccines, and remember, I've also said elsewhere in this thread that if they were to do this, they would need to come up with a way to screen for people who would experience some kind of sensitivity - an allergic reaction, for example - and exempt them based on medical reasons, and someone chose to break that law, I expect it would be the same as anyone else who would break the law.

So they would arrest them, right? So basically, what you're saying is that you think people should arrested for not getting vaccinated. I think there is a certain arrogance to think you have a right to tell other people what to do with their body.
 
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