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Netflix Admits Net Neutrality Was a Sham

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After starting and waging the war for NN for the past five years, Netflix is now fine with what we got and what we are going to get. Netflix has basically admitted that it was all a ruse to get what they wanted. Now that they got what they wanted, they don't care about what happens to it. NN was always about Billion dollar companies fighting billion dollar companies to get what they want. It had nothing to do with consumers or what they would ever have to pay.

"We're big enough to get the deals we want," he [Reed Hastings] said during Recode's Code Conference on Wednesday.
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https://www.cnet.com/news/net-neutrality-netflix-reed-hastings/?ftag=COS-05-10-aaa0a&linkId=38219335

This was my number one concern with the concept and a big problem for the NN supporters. One company was essentially controlling the message and that was Netflix. Now that Netflix has what they want, they don't care. I love the services Netflix offers, but their lobbying efforts are shady as hell.
 
ModerateGOP said:
After starting and waging the war for NN for the past five years, Netflix is now fine with what we got and what we are going to get. Netflix has basically admitted that it was all a ruse to get what they wanted. Now that they got what they wanted, they don't care about what happens to it. NN was always about Billion dollar companies fighting billion dollar companies to get what they want. It had nothing to do with consumers or what they would ever have to pay.



https://www.cnet.com/news/net-neutrality-netflix-reed-hastings/?ftag=COS-05-10-aaa0a&linkId=38219335

This was my number one concern with the concept and a big problem for the NN supporters. One company was essentially controlling the message and that was Netflix. Now that Netflix has what they want, they don't care. I love the services Netflix offers, but their lobbying efforts are shady as hell.
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This should make you want NN even more. The fact that a company no longer cares about an issue that doesn't effect them because they are so wealthy now is exactly the problem with removing net neutrality to begin with. The rich keep what is theirs and everyone else gets ****ed.
 
ModerateGOP said:
After starting and waging the war for NN for the past five years, Netflix is now fine with what we got and what we are going to get. Netflix has basically admitted that it was all a ruse to get what they wanted. Now that they got what they wanted, they don't care about what happens to it. NN was always about Billion dollar companies fighting billion dollar companies to get what they want. It had nothing to do with consumers or what they would ever have to pay.



https://www.cnet.com/news/net-neutrality-netflix-reed-hastings/?ftag=COS-05-10-aaa0a&linkId=38219335

This was my number one concern with the concept and a big problem for the NN supporters. One company was essentially controlling the message and that was Netflix. Now that Netflix has what they want, they don't care. I love the services Netflix offers, but their lobbying efforts are shady as hell.
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This is really what the bottom line was. Netflix just didn't want themselves affected. And they aren't the only one. Now what we have is ISP's will throttle the end user instead of the services that ate up the bandwidth.
I know people considered preferential treatment as the core issue of NN but that really wasn't what it was about to the ISP's or companies like Netflix.
 
ajn678 said:
This should make you want NN even more. The fact that a company no longer cares about an issue that doesn't effect them because they are so wealthy now is exactly the problem with removing net neutrality to begin with. The rich keep what is theirs and everyone else gets ****ed.
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If a main backer of the platform no longer backs it, then the platform usually dies. This happens all the time in tech and legislation.
 
ModerateGOP said:
If a main backer of the platform no longer backs it, then the platform usually dies. This happens all the time in tech and legislation.
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You didn't address my point at all, but okay.
 
SocialD said:
This is really what the bottom line was. Netflix just didn't want themselves affected. And they aren't the only one. Now what we have is ISP's will throttle the end user instead of the services that ate up the bandwidth.
I know people considered preferential treatment as the core issue of NN but that really wasn't what it was about to the ISP's or companies like Netflix.
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Actually the only one who would be affected is really Netflix. They are the ones who use up the most bandwidth, currently. So since they got what they wanted they could care less about anyone else, despite their championing of the little guy two years ago.
 
ajn678 said:
You didn't address my point at all, but okay.
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Yes I did, you said that Netflix got too rich to care, and I said that if money or a power players abandons a cause it usually ends up dying. Netflix has admitted that much
 
ajn678 said:
This should make you want NN even more. The fact that a company no longer cares about an issue that doesn't effect them because they are so wealthy now is exactly the problem with removing net neutrality to begin with. The rich keep what is theirs and everyone else gets ****ed.
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The entire point was that NN was intended to protect billion dollar companies, like Netflix, from being passed costs from other billion dollar companies, like ISPs.

Netflix got so big in the meantime that they have all the bargaining power they want. That's like Walmart lobbying for price controls, until they got so big that they don't need the government to do it for them.
 
Gonzo Rodeo said:
The entire point was that NN was intended to protect billion dollar companies, like Netflix, from being passed costs from other billion dollar companies, like ISPs.

Netflix got so big in the meantime that they have all the bargaining power they want. That's like Walmart lobbying for price controls, until they got so big that they don't need the government to do it for them.
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Its nothing like that at all. NN is intended to allow the free flow of information rather than companies deciding what you see and what you can access. Also, the article literally states:

Hastings said Netflix is still supportive of other companies fighting against the net neutrality rollback— and that in a sense, it's their turn to do so.

Plus, all that battling might be for naught.

"I think Trump's FCC is going to unwind the rules no matter what happens," Hastings said. He also expressed some optimism that perhaps internet providers will continue to play fair, even if there are no longer regulations in place.

This is nothing like what the OP stated.
 
ajn678 said:
Its nothing like that at all. NN is intended to allow the free flow of information rather than companies deciding what you see and what you can access. Also, the article literally states:

Hastings said Netflix is still supportive of other companies fighting against the net neutrality rollback— and that in a sense, it's their turn to do so.

Plus, all that battling might be for naught.

"I think Trump's FCC is going to unwind the rules no matter what happens," Hastings said. He also expressed some optimism that perhaps internet providers will continue to play fair, even if there are no longer regulations in place.

This is nothing like what the OP stated.
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The "free flow of information" from huge companies to consumers.

Those companies want protections against the infrastructure providers jacking up their rates. The issue was sold in part by claiming pricing schemes like these could chill new market entrants by pricing them out of data services... but the isp charges the big companies are fighting affect big companies, not market entrants.
 
Gonzo Rodeo said:
The "free flow of information" from huge companies to consumers.

Those companies want protections against the infrastructure providers jacking up their rates. The issue was sold in part by claiming pricing schemes like these could chill new market entrants by pricing them out of data services... but the isp charges the big companies are fighting affect big companies, not market entrants.
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It would impact anyone that the ISP imposes them upon. There's no reason to suggest that they wouldn't start doing it on anyone if they could. The free flow of information should be free from any hindrances, whether the information is coming from a gigantic corporation, or a one man team.
 
ModerateGOP said:
After starting and waging the war for NN for the past five years, Netflix is now fine with what we got and what we are going to get. Netflix has basically admitted that it was all a ruse to get what they wanted. Now that they got what they wanted, they don't care about what happens to it. NN was always about Billion dollar companies fighting billion dollar companies to get what they want. It had nothing to do with consumers or what they would ever have to pay.



https://www.cnet.com/news/net-neutrality-netflix-reed-hastings/?ftag=COS-05-10-aaa0a&linkId=38219335

This was my number one concern with the concept and a big problem for the NN supporters. One company was essentially controlling the message and that was Netflix. Now that Netflix has what they want, they don't care. I love the services Netflix offers, but their lobbying efforts are shady as hell.
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This isn't really netflix admitting that net neutrality is a sham, it's netflix acknowledging that it has the clout to survive anyway.

Net neutrality is a huge threat to accessibility for private individuals and the viability of small businesses. That's true whether netflix remains accessible to its' customers or not.
 
Absentglare said:
This isn't really netflix admitting that net neutrality is a sham, it's netflix acknowledging that it has the clout to survive anyway.

Net neutrality is a huge threat to accessibility for private individuals and the viability of small businesses. That's true whether netflix remains accessible to its' customers or not.
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How does a world without NN affect consumers and small businesses?
 
Gonzo Rodeo said:
How does a world without NN affect consumers and small businesses?
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The same way Walmart functions, the same way health insurance functions. Large groups have more bargaining power than small groups.

Leaving small groups and individuals without leverage leaves them at the mercy of the benevolence of the large groups they have no choice but to negotiate with.
 
Gonzo Rodeo said:
How does a world without NN affect consumers and small businesses?
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The ISPs now have the ability to completely control how much you pay, and what you can see. They will strangle competition and exploit consumers.
 
ModerateGOP said:
Actually the only one who would be affected is really Netflix. They are the ones who use up the most bandwidth, currently. So since they got what they wanted they could care less about anyone else, despite their championing of the little guy two years ago.
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Google/YouTube has some pretty heavy usage too. And honestly I haven't seen a report on site usage in about a year and a half. I wouldn't doubt if Twitch/Amazon is rising a lot too.
 
SocialD said:
Google/YouTube has some pretty heavy usage too. And honestly I haven't seen a report on site usage in about a year and a half. I wouldn't doubt if Twitch/Amazon is rising a lot too.
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Yeah but they also have their own pretty heavy duty network. While Netflix doesn't. Anyone who actually understands the engineering behind this will tell you the same thing. Netflix just didn't want to build their own Network. Now that they got what they wanted, they don't need to and could care less about NN.
 
ModerateGOP said:
Yeah but they also have their own pretty heavy duty network. While Netflix doesn't. Anyone who actually understands the engineering behind this will tell you the same thing. Netflix just didn't want to build their own Network. Now that they got what they wanted, they don't need to and could care less about NN.
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Honestly, you're kidding yourself if you think they don't care a great deal about NN. They're just not going to jeopardize their business. Businesses have to project confidence and optimism.

Netflix will be okay, they're already big. The problem is the little guys that won't have the bargaining power that Netflix commands won't be able to hold ISPs accountable.
 
ModerateGOP said:
Yeah but they also have their own pretty heavy duty network. While Netflix doesn't. Anyone who actually understands the engineering behind this will tell you the same thing. Netflix just didn't want to build their own Network. Now that they got what they wanted, they don't need to and could care less about NN.
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Lol, you so clearly don't understand anything about the "engineering" behind this or the internet in general.
 
Absentglare said:
Honestly, you're kidding yourself if you think they don't care a great deal about NN. They're just not going to jeopardize their business. Businesses have to project confidence and optimism.

Netflix will be okay, they're already big. The problem is the little guys that won't have the bargaining power that Netflix commands won't be able to hold ISPs accountable.
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I will repeat what I said before. If a platform loses it's main backing then that platform will most likely die. Netflix was it's main backer. Without the noise Netflix made, it wouldn't have been nearly as popular as it was. It's not suddenly OK, to all the NN supporters especially now that Trump is taking it away, but to Netflix it now is. :lamo

Your kidding yourself if you think this is what Netflix should be doing if they had any principles.
 
ajn678 said:
Lol, you so clearly don't understand anything about the "engineering" behind this or the internet in general.
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OOOOH scary words. I've been called a telecom executive too! :lamo Now I guess I'm the opposite of that.
 
ModerateGOP said:
After starting and waging the war for NN for the past five years, Netflix is now fine with what we got and what we are going to get. Netflix has basically admitted that it was all a ruse to get what they wanted. Now that they got what they wanted, they don't care about what happens to it. NN was always about Billion dollar companies fighting billion dollar companies to get what they want. It had nothing to do with consumers or what they would ever have to pay.



https://www.cnet.com/news/net-neutrality-netflix-reed-hastings/?ftag=COS-05-10-aaa0a&linkId=38219335

This was my number one concern with the concept and a big problem for the NN supporters. One company was essentially controlling the message and that was Netflix. Now that Netflix has what they want, they don't care. I love the services Netflix offers, but their lobbying efforts are shady as hell.
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You really bought into that headline, didn't you?
 
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