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students in more religious countries perform worse in science and mathematics

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A little connection with the other thread I started about religious beliefs being allowed into science classrooms

students in more religious countries perform worse in science and mathematics

The more religious people are, the lower children in that country perform in science and mathematics, according to new research at Leeds Beckett University.

The research, published today in the academic journal Intelligence, reveals that more religious countries had lower educational performance in science and mathematics. The study also shows that levels of national development and time spent on religious education played a role in students’ attainment.

The research, led by Gijsbert Stoet, Professor of Psychology at Leeds Beckett, alongside David Geary, Curators' Professor in the Department of Psychological Sciences at the University of Missouri, is relevant for the government’s announcement in the budget that it will be investing £320 million into new free schools, including faith-based schools.

Professor Stoet explained: “Science and mathematics education are key for modern societies. Our research suggests that education might benefit from a stronger secular approach. In that context, the current UK policy of investing more money in faith-based should be reconsidered.

“The success of schools and education in general directly translates in more productive societies and higher standards of living. Given the strong negative link between religiosity and educational performance, governments might be able to raise educational standards and so standards of living by keeping religion out of schools and out of educational policy making.”

Some graphs may be viewed on the Daily Mail's website where an article about this study has been posted

Countries with a strong religious culture are WORSE at maths and science, study claims
  • Researchers looked at 82 countries and ranked them by 'religiosity'
  • Their study found a negative correlation between religion and education
  • The UK ranked 14th in the list while the United States came in at 51st
 
A little connection with the other thread I started about religious beliefs being allowed into science classrooms



Some graphs may be viewed on the Daily Mail's website where an article about this study has been posted

most science n math is pointless. im old as heck n never use algebra to go about my day. religion is somethin u need threwout ur life
 
most science n math is pointless. im old as heck n never use algebra to go about my day. religion is somethin u need threwout ur life

Proper grammar and punctuation clearly isn't very important to you, either.
 
Religion is, and always has been, the primary impediment to human advancement. See the Dark Age.
 
most science n math is pointless. im old as heck n never use algebra to go about my day. religion is somethin u need threwout ur life

The people that developed the strains of tomatoes you grow did have math and science skills. We haven't been able to teach monkeys to grow tomatoes yet, but when we do, you better bet it will be by people with knowledge of math and science that do.
 
dont need it to make a good livin w/ tomatoes

What would a car look like that was built on faith alone? I someone were to give a person a "holy book" would that be sufficient for someone to build a car?

just because you dont need math and science...does not mean you dont need math and science.
 
Doing worse in science makes perfect sense. But I wonder why math is affected?
 
A little connection with the other thread I started about religious beliefs being allowed into science classrooms

Some graphs may be viewed on the Daily Mail's website where an article about this study has been posted

And how did these countries rank in other areas such as their economic status or their cultural differences? Since I have to purchase the study itself, I cannot see which countries where assessed. I did find somethings in the article.

"In the large majority of countries - including the UK - women were found to be more religious than men, but this was not found to affect differences in their educational performance.[/quote]

So that point there breaks up the narrative some. Then there is:

"The study also suggests that levels of economic development and time spent on religious education itself played a role in students' attainment."

That breaks up the narrative some more as well.

Further, I'd say that the U.S. is more secular today than we have ever been in our nation's history but our educational standards and rankings have increasingly dropped. This is what is called a negative correlation.

In other words, the study is ridiculously simplistic in it's premise that it's obviously flawed but at least it wraps you up in your comfy little confirmation bias blanket. The irony of your avatar is delicious.
 
And how did these countries rank in other areas such as their economic status or their cultural differences? Since I have to purchase the study itself, I cannot see which countries where assessed. I did find somethings in the article.

"In the large majority of countries - including the UK - women were found to be more religious than men, but this was not found to affect differences in their educational performance.
So that point there breaks up the narrative some. Then there is:

"The study also suggests that levels of economic development and time spent on religious education itself played a role in students' attainment."

That breaks up the narrative some more as well.

Further, I'd say that the U.S. is more secular today than we have ever been in our nation's history but our educational standards and rankings have increasingly dropped. This is what is called a negative correlation.

In other words, the study is ridiculously simplistic in it's premise that it's obviously flawed but at least it wraps you up in your comfy little confirmation bias blanket. The irony of your avatar is delicious.

I did provide a link to the Daily Mail article on the study which has graphs showing the correlations found.
 
I did provide a link to the Daily Mail article on the study which has graphs showing the correlations found.

Yup...I went to the study to see what was involved and you have to buy it.
 
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