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Tesla unveils new solar roofs



As with any Musk product, it will be heavily subsidized by taxpayers, so the real cost will be no where near whats advertised. Cool idea, but he needs to stick to selling it to rich people and businesses who can afford it without subsidies.
 
The roof will raise the home value because of lower electric bills, better looking, no need to ever replace it. Why buy anything ever as later generations of products tend to improve. And as Musk explained in the video people will want to buy because they will do the math and see it's in their best interest(if the costs are as low as he implied). And the Tesla brand is MUCH better than most brands out there. You guys act like its reputation is built in 1970/80's Taiwan. There is a reason why almost 400,000 people pre-ordered the model 3 putting down $1000 deposits the first week after announcement on a car at least a year away. They don't do that for Ford or GM. And there is a reason why the Model S is rated number one in customer satisfaction in Consumer Reports.

you are wrong solar panels will have to be replaced at some point in time.
Umm no it isn't not from a practical aspect tesla has major problems.

No it's reputation is built by its own self. It is starting to look more like a pipe dream than an actual company.

If he was serious then he would have been QA on his cars.
there are a lot of complaint about break downs and other such things.
 
We are on a list for these. It all depends on the total cost and ROI...


Tesla is the reason you are seeing an uptick with charlatans at the home depot trying to lease you old style panels.... (dont do it!)
 
I wish I could ban all poopie heads from this thread.
 
Not really. I live just out side of a major City and no one's putting Solar panels on their homes and Comercial properties aren't bothering with it either.

Again, its not practical or cost effective and all the ideological driven sales pitches in the world wont make it that way.

I think it would better to say it is economical or practical in certain areas of the country under certain circumstances. It makes sense in California.
 
Im planning to build a house in the future, so I would go for it if the price is right. But until they make cheaper, better batteries I'm not holding my breath.
 
Im planning to build a house in the future, so I would go for it if the price is right. But until they make cheaper, better batteries I'm not holding my breath.

I think the quality is there on the Tesla batteries, they are getting very little degradation with hundreds of thousands of miles on their vehicles and why they have a 8 yr infinite miles warranty on them. The Tesla home battery will be good for at least a decade. The cost for their 14 kwh powerball home battery is about $6500 installed which will be able to power a 2 bed house for a day. The costs are a little high imo but that's early generation of the product, Musk has stated their costs will be under $100/kwh within three years. I wouldn't be surprised if they double the capacity of the powerwall at half the price by then.

https://www.tesla.com/powerwall
 
Im planning to build a house in the future, so I would go for it if the price is right. But until they make cheaper, better batteries I'm not holding my breath.

Greetings, PoS. :2wave:

Off topic, but I just received your book, Lands of Dust from Amazon today. A million years in the future? :wow: It looks like a winner - I can't wait to start reading it! :thumbs:
 
Looks great.

But Musk has a habit of often promising things (especially at Tesla) he does not deliver on.

I will believe it when I see it AND the price.
 
I think the quality is there on the Tesla batteries, they are getting very little degradation with hundreds of thousands of miles on their vehicles and why they have a 8 yr infinite miles warranty on them. The Tesla home battery will be good for at least a decade. The cost for their 14 kwh powerball home battery is about $6500 installed which will be able to power a 2 bed house for a day. The costs are a little high imo but that's early generation of the product, Musk has stated their costs will be under $100/kwh within three years. I wouldn't be surprised if they double the capacity of the powerwall at half the price by then.

https://www.tesla.com/powerwall

Or we might get a Tesla Galaxy Note 7000
 
I think its a great idea if it can be as cheap as he said would be.Because it makes no sense for someone to get a solar roof if it costs more than the lifetime of electrical costs through a power company and traditional roof costs.

However I noticed some concerns in the youtube comments section.

1.How will it handle snow,ice and hail? Dropping a weight on it is one thing.Being bombarded with with hail or having snow or ice sit on top of it is another thing.

As far as snow and ice that's an easy thing to deal with if your pitch is steep enough. I have a roof with a steep pitch and snow and ice doesn't stay on there for very long. And even then a good system should have battery back up or be tied to the grid for days solar is not optimum. Personally think a hybrid system of solar and wind to complement each other is the way to go.
 
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As far as snow and ice that's an easy thing to deal with if your pitch is steep enough. I have a roof with a steep pitch and snow and ice doesn't stay on there for very long. And even then a good system should have battery back up or be ties to the grid for days solar is not optimum. Personally think a hybrid system of solar and wind to complement each other is the way to go.

Luckily I live in florida, but how well would these even work in the winter in the North? Even a dusting of snow will kill your solar generation. Not to mention cloudy skies, and less sunlight hours. Maybe they should use a trickle of power to warm themselves and keep snow off.
 
Luckily I live in florida, but how well would these even work in the winter in the North? Even a dusting of snow will kill your solar generation. Not to mention cloudy skies, and less sunlight hours. Maybe they should use a trickle of power to warm themselves and keep snow off.

Like I said Solar is not optimum 24/7, and contingencies should be in place for that. Hell you're not making electricity in Florida at night either!

And since you don't know a lot about snow, I can tell you it rarely stays put very long due to wind. Like I said, a steep roof will take care of snow almost immediately, even though it's likely it won't even stay put right away. It's not like snow actually sticks to the surface it falls on. If that would be the case we wouldn't have drifting or blizzards.
 
Luckily I live in florida, but how well would these even work in the winter in the North? Even a dusting of snow will kill your solar generation. Not to mention cloudy skies, and less sunlight hours. Maybe they should use a trickle of power to warm themselves and keep snow off.

Even that isn't going to keep 6ft of snow off. a lot of my co-workers live in RI the past couple years some had 6-9 ft of snow on their roofs.
 
Like I said Solar is not optimum 24/7, and contingencies should be in place for that. Hell you're not making electricity in Florida at night either!

And since you don't know a lot about snow, I can tell you it rarely stays put very long due to wind. Like I said, a steep roof will take care of snow almost immediately, even though it's likely it won't even stay put right away. It's not like snow actually sticks to the surface it falls on. If that would be the case we wouldn't have drifting or blizzards.

I think the biggest issue is Musk in general.

He has big ideas but they don't seem to pan out into something viable.
he is making a ton of money though but it mostly of government subsidies in all this
green eco stuff.

he isn't making money off of the product itself.

once investors stop living in this pipe dream his stocks will trash.
 
Lead by example.

I would be the first to ban myself if I was a poopie head but I'm not. I don't go in every Tersla thread and make posts bashing the company and Musk in a very biased way.
 
Luckily I live in florida, but how well would these even work in the winter in the North? Even a dusting of snow will kill your solar generation. Not to mention cloudy skies, and less sunlight hours. Maybe they should use a trickle of power to warm themselves and keep snow off.

Musk has mentioned there can be heating elements in the shingles for colder climates.
 
Like I said Solar is not optimum 24/7, and contingencies should be in place for that. Hell you're not making electricity in Florida at night either!

And since you don't know a lot about snow, I can tell you it rarely stays put very long due to wind. Like I said, a steep roof will take care of snow almost immediately, even though it's likely it won't even stay put right away. It's not like snow actually sticks to the surface it falls on. If that would be the case we wouldn't have drifting or blizzards.

I wouldnt be using solar power in florida though. Nuclear works just fine. As for snow no, I know nothing, I just see a lot of it on top of peoples things. Dont steeper roofs mean less sunlight, though?
 
I would be the first to ban myself if I was a poopie head but I'm not. I don't go in every Tersla thread and make posts bashing the company and Musk in a very biased way.

You just do it to people instead, which is worse.
 
Musk has mentioned there can be heating elements in the shingles for colder climates.

Which will take way more power than the solar panels actually generate, because thermodynamics.
 
Which will take way more power than the solar panels actually generate, because thermodynamics.

Maybe you should write Musk on that. Maybe his product engineers didn't think of that. Or you could be wrong.
 
I think the biggest issue is Musk in general.

He has big ideas but they don't seem to pan out into something viable.
he is making a ton of money though but it mostly of government subsidies in all this
green eco stuff.

he isn't making money off of the product itself.

once investors stop living in this pipe dream his stocks will trash.

Tesla IS making money off the products themselves. Their gross margins on their vehicles are usually 20-25%, gross margins GM and Ford would drool over. The battery division turned a profit in its first quarter shipping Powerwall and Powerpack batteries from the company’s Nevada Gigafactory. The company also posted a profit this past quarter. The reason why Tesla hasn't posted many profitable quarters is simply because they are a new auto company who invests heavily into future growth by investing heavily in research development and CAPEX. For example they are investing an estimated two plus billion dollars in the Nevada battery gigafactory but will create billions of more future revenue for the company. The business model, much like Amazon, is not short term net profits but long term growth and greater long term profits. As a potential investor I like the model. As someone who likes clean air and water and a healthy planet, I like that aspect of the business plan.

He has big ideas but they don't seem to pan out into something viable.


Paypal-viable product, profitable

SpaceX-viable product with lowest cost satellite launches, profitable even with government corruption that favors much more expensive bids, lands return rockets which many said could not be done which will give them even greater competitive advantage on future costs.

Solar City-viable product with company being the largest solar installer in U.S. in an industry experiencing explosive growth.

Tesla:
*Only successful new American car company in more than half a century
*First EV that utilized lithium ion battery and can go over 200 miles on a charge
*Pioneering and leading the way in developing the EV industry and I think most will agree has accelerated the adoption of EV's which was a primary goal of the comapny
*Best selling and "highest rated by consumers" luxury sedan in the U.S. by a large margin
*Brand's reputation good enough to have almost 400,000 pre-orders in the first week of public reveal of vehicle over a year away from production, something Ford or GM could only dream of
*2017 model 3-accomplishes the company's goal of manufacturing affordable EV's for the masses
*Will be first to have level 5 automation, likely late 2017
*High profit margins on their products and having a supply and not demand problem as well as the ratings and sales of the model S and pre-orders of the model 3, all evidences they have a very viable product.

But yeah his ideas don't pan out, nothing viable. You can always short the stock.
 
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