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Scientists are one step closer to detecting gravitational waves from space

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Deuce said:
No, it isn't. You keep making **** up like this without proving it. And then you demand other people prove their points to you. Prove there is a conflict.
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You are funny I don't demand such things,
Well, Gravity as a Force is in conflict with The Law of Conservation of Energy,
If Gravity is a Force then because of this law the Force would diminish. It doesn't.
So there is no drainage and there is no powersource.
Ah well, Gravity is a myth hence these conflicts.

There is so much more that shows gravity is nothing more then a myth.



1) All objects with mass have an attraction.
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Maybe. we will see.

Jump, you come back down. This is obvious.
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Yes, I have stated that I agree with this, however this is not done by gravity.

Force established to exist.
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Well, maybe, but not gravity. Gravity is a myth.

2) The force of this attraction is a direct result of the mass of the two objects.
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Really?

More massive objects have a greater pull. That's why, in a vacuum, the feather hits the ground at the same time as a bowling ball. This establishes the nature of the force. (Being dependent on mass)
3) Motion of planetary bodies proves that Einstein has the correct equations. (Newton was close, he was just missing Relativity)
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Newton and Einstein were very very wrong.

4) Relativity is proven correct by empirical tests using atomic clocks
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No, it is very obviously not. Just like the rest of the 'experiments' these experiments are deeply flawed,
Relativity is obsolete.
 
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Pin dÁr said:
Well, Gravity as a Force is in conflict with The Law of Conservation of Energy,
If Gravity is a Force then because of this law the Force would diminish. It doesn't.
So there is no drainage and there is no powersource.
Ah well, Gravity is a myth hence these conflicts.
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Energy is conserved. When I fall, potential energy is converted into kinetic energy. To climb back up, I must expend energy to turn it into potential energy.

Conservation of energy doesn't work like you think it does. They call it conservation of energy, not drainage of energy.

Pin dÁr said:
Really?
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Yes. Really. It takes more force to accelerate a bowling ball towards the earth. Since the rate of acceleration is the same, more force is being applied to the bowling ball.

The more massive an object, the greater force gravity applies.
 
Deuce said:
Energy is conserved. When I fall, potential energy is converted into kinetic energy. To climb back up, I must expend energy to turn it into potential energy.

Conservation of energy doesn't work like you think it does. They call it conservation of energy, not drainage of energy.
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You mean you don't understand physics now?????

How convenient.
 
Pin dÁr said:
Really?
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Yes. Really. It takes more force to accelerate a bowling ball towards the earth. Since the rate of acceleration is the same, more force is being applied to the bowling ball.

The more massive an object, the greater force gravity applies.
 
Pin dÁr said:
You mean you don't understand physics now?????

How convenient.
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You realize this isn't actually a rebuttal, right?

Since you provide no counter-argument, I can only assume you don't have one.

Are you suggesting kinetic energy doesn't exist?
 
Deuce said:
You realize this isn't actually a rebuttal, right?

Since you provide no counter-argument, I can only assume you don't have one.

Are you suggesting kinetic energy doesn't exist?
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No I am not.

What I am saying is that if gravity is a force and used throughout the universe (which it isn't) the force should diminish,
because there is no powersource driving it.

In this case it has nothing to do with kinetic energy.

If gravity is a real 'force', (which it isn't ), then we would have here an example of free energy!


But it isn't because gravity is a myth.
 
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Pin dÁr said:
No I am not.

What I am saying is that if gravity is a force and used throughout the universe (which it isn't) the force should diminish,
because there is no powersource driving it.

In this case it has nothing to do with kinetic energy.

If gravity is a real 'force', (which it isn't ), then we would have here an example of free energy!


But it isn't because gravity is a myth.
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So, in your opinion, conservation of energy means that forces dissipate over time.

Interesting.

Let me point out that gravity isn't free energy. Here, sitting on the ground, I get no energy out of it. No work. No movement. It's not until I expend energy climbing a hill that I can utilize gravity to come back down.

I expend energy climbing the hill. I get it back coming down the hill. But there are always other factors. Friction, air resistance, the fact that any energy usage has some waste heat. I wont get all of my energy back. I might use 50 joules climbing and only get 40 joules back coming down. Does that sound free to you?

If it makes it easier to picture, you can think of gravity more like a rubber band. You don't get free energy out of a rubber band, you have to expend energy to stretch it. When you release it, that stored up energy snaps the rubber band back to its normal shape.

That's not free, my friend. I hope I can continue to improve your understanding of physics. What's next?
 
Deuce said:
So, in your opinion, conservation of energy means that forces dissipate over time.



Interesting.
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No, You are twisting my words now.
What I am saying if that if a FORCE is used, then , if there is no powersource, then the Force will diminish.
This according to that law.



Let me point out that gravity isn't free energy.
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Of course not. It doesn't exist. However if it should exist as a Force that would be free energy. Sure!
Then gravity works with no powersource all through the unniverse.
Of course that is Free Energy!



Here, sitting on the ground, I get no energy out of it. No work. No movement. It's not until I expend energy climbing a hill that I can utilize gravity to come back down.

I expend energy climbing the hill. I get it back coming down the hill. But there are always other factors. Friction, air resistance, the fact that any energy usage has some waste heat. I wont get all of my energy back. I might use 50 joules climbing and only get 40 joules back coming down. Does that sound free to you?

If it makes it easier to picture, you can think of gravity more like a rubber band. You don't get free energy out of a rubber band, you have to expend energy to stretch it. When you release it, that stored up energy snaps the rubber band back to its normal shape.
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Yeah, I know, you are talking about the work-force here! Lot's wrong with that one!
You just automatically do some physic-textbook-parroting.


That's not free, my friend. I hope I can continue to improve your understanding of physics. What's next?
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Of course it is not free. It doesnt even exist, But if Gravity, which doesn't exist it is a myth, was a Force, yeaaah that would be free energy,
All through the cosmos.

Anyway, you haven't been able to improve any of it. You just toed the party-line. Not very interesting and satisfying,
thank you.
And you are not my friend.


Hell, people think we know what 'gravity' is, but 'science' is struggling with this from the start!
They (scientists) even admit they have no clue at what 'gravity' really is, they really don't.
so much for 'science'.And people take the peopke seriously. wtf!



How on earth then can they measure 'gravity' waves if they even don't know what 'gravity' is????????????????


It is all rather psychotic.
 
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Pin dÁr said:
No, You are twisting my words now.
What I am saying if that if a FORCE is used, then , if there is no powersource, then the Force will diminish.
This according to that law.






Of course not. It doesn't exist. However if it should exist as a Force that would be free energy. Sure!
Then gravity works with no powersource all through the unniverse.
Of course that is Free Energy!





Yeah, I know, you are talking about the work-force here! Lot's wrong with that one!
You just automatically do some physic-textbook-parroting.




Of course it is not free. It doesnt even exist, But if Gravity, which doesn't exist it is a myth, was a Force, yeaaah that would be free energy,
All through the cosmos.

Anyway, you haven't been able to improve any of it. You just toed the party-line. Not very interesting and satisfying,
thank you.
And you are not my friend.


Hell, people think we know what 'gravity' is, but 'science' is struggling with this from the start!
They (scientists) even admit they have no clue at what 'gravity' really is, they really don't.
so much for 'science'.And people take the peopke seriously. wtf!



How on earth then can they measure 'gravity' waves if they even don't know what 'gravity' is????????????????


It is all rather psychotic.
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Your argument was that gravity is free energy. I just showed you that it's not. You have no rebuttal, not that I'm surprised.

So, I've got a can of beer sitting on my desk. It's not moving. In your opinion, is force being expended to hold it there? Is that force going to run out? What happens when that force runs out? How long will it take for that depletion of force to be detectable? How long will it take for that force to run out completely?

What's the power source that holds my beer can in place?
 
Deuce said:
Your argument was that gravity is free energy. I just showed you that it's not.
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Of course it is. Free force all through the universe! free for all! Not?? lol
No you didn't.


So, I've got a can of beer sitting on my desk. It's not moving. In your opinion, is force being expended to hold it there?
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Well, yes and no. Depends if gravity is real.
But let's assume there is a force called gravity. Then yes gravity is the force holding it there.
Put it another way. Assume we can shut out gravity. what will happen to that can? Exactly!

Is that force going to run out?
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Apparently not. that is what is so strange about it. Looks really like free energy. Free Energy for all, yeah!!!

What happens when that force runs out? How long will it take for that depletion of force to be detectable? How long will it take for that force to run out completely?
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It doesn't seem to happen. Free Energy, again!

What's the power source that holds my beer can in place?
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That is my question! There is NO powersource (for gravity that is). So the force should diminish, it doesn't hence free energy!

ORRRRR

There is no gravity and gravity is a myth!



I thnk the latter is true.
 
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