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Putin's modern Russia is a willing prisoner of its Stalinist past

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Putin's modern Russia is a willing prisoner of its Stalinist past

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1/24/20
Mr. Putin’s propaganda offensive — one might call it a “memory war” — has been ongoing for a few years, but came to prominence once again shortly before Christmas, when Mr. Putin devoted almost his entire hour-long speech at a summit to attacking Poland for its supposed collaboration with Hitler prior to the outbreak of the war in 1939. It is often joked that one of the staples of Kremlin disinformation campaigns is to accuse others of the things you do yourself. Rarely, however, was the tactic more obviously in evidence. Of course, it was Stalin’s USSR that collaborated with Hitler’s Germany for the opening 22 months of the war — from the odious Nazi-Soviet Pact of August 1939, to Hitler’s attack on his erstwhile partner, Operation Barbarossa, in June 1941 — entering a strategic and economic relationship that divided Central Europe between the two, snuffing out the independence of the Baltic States and Poland and unleashing World War II. It would be foolish to suggest that Mr. Putin and his advisers in the Kremlin are ignorant of such basic facts about the chronology of the war, so one has to wonder why they are engaging in such a blatant attempt to rewrite history. At the most obvious level, of course, one can see a simple distraction tactic behind such utterances. The difficulties currently being experienced by Mr. Putin’s Russia — the stagnant economy, the stalemate in Russia’s war in eastern Ukraine, the humiliation of the doping scandal — can be partly deflected by manufacturing a distraction for the Russian media and public. Yet, beyond all that, one must recognize that Russia’s “memory war” is part of a much wider effort to harness the popular resonance of World War II as a way of legitimating Mr. Putin’s rule, and underpinning Russia’s modern great power ambitions. World War II has become something like the foundation myth of Mr. Putin’s Russia.

But, as Central Europeans know only too well, Soviet participation in the war did not begin only in the summer of 1941. Though Stalin declared the Soviet Union neutral in 1939, his forces actively collaborated with those of Hitler’s Germany, not least in the invasion of Poland in September 1939, and he even congratulated the German dictator on his early victories. It is these parts of the wartime narrative — where Soviet actions, far from glorious, are tainted by collaboration with fascism and aggression against its neighbors — that the modern Russian version of the war cannot tolerate. So, they are being rewritten: With the propagation of a spurious new narrative that the Soviet Union was entirely blameless, that it was Poland that collaborated with Hitler, and that the Nazi-Soviet Pact was an entirely justified defensive measure. Needless to say, this all follows on from a rich and rather odious tradition of Soviet disinformation and the deliberate falsification of history. As Orwell so presciently put it in “1984”: “he who controls the present, controls the past and he who controls the past, controls the future.” Mr. Putin’s “memory war” is part of a Russian continuum, certainly, but it is another proof that the modern Russia is still a willing prisoner of its own dark past. Like every country, it needs to be able to look its history in the eye — and recognize therein the shameful as well as the heroic.

Since 2014, Putin has been writing his own narrative for Ukraine, one that naturally boosts Moscow's role in history while demonizing that of Kyiv.

Now Putin has put yet another revisionist ball in the air to juggle, that of placing blame for the Holocaust on Poland while Stalin's wonderful Red Army freed Eastern and Central Europe from Nazi bondage.

I'm quite sure that Ukraine, Poland, the Baltic States, and every country that found itself behind the Kremlin's Iron Curtain would strenuously beg to differ.
 
Putin's modern Russia is a willing prisoner of its Stalinist past

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Since 2014, Putin has been writing his own narrative for Ukraine, one that naturally boosts Moscow's role in history while demonizing that of Kyiv.

Now Putin has put yet another revisionist ball in the air to juggle, that of placing blame for the Holocaust on Poland while Stalin's wonderful Red Army freed Eastern and Central Europe from Nazi bondage.

I'm quite sure that Ukraine, Poland, the Baltic States, and every country that found itself behind the Kremlin's Iron Curtain would strenuously beg to differ.

Yes, I'm sure that the nations busily erecting statues to and celebrating Nazi collaborators would be rather upset that the Reich was crushed.
 
Yes, I'm sure that the nations busily erecting statues to and celebrating Nazi collaborators would be rather upset that the Reich was crushed.
And it was the Red Army that did the crushing.
 
At the beginning of the war, Soviet losses were staggering, but they learned from their mistakes. The T34 tank was one of the overall best tanks of the war, for example.

Lend Lease stuff helped, like the aviation fuel and aluminum. We sent over 2,000 locomotives to Russia and over 10K rail cars and I'm sure that helped too.

But the Soviets earned the victory.
 
With substantial--downright indispensable--aid from the US and the other Western Allies.
80% of German troops were fighting the Red Army on the Eastern Front.
 
One man's collaborator is another mans freedom fighter.

I'm quite sure the American Loyalists weren't considered freedom fighters by the American Revolutionaries and vice-versa.
 
But that argument is only a diversion from the OP article ... Putin's expanding quest to engage in European revisionist history.
 
One man's collaborator is another mans freedom fighter.

I'm quite sure the American Loyalists weren't considered freedom fighters by the American Revolutionaries and vice-versa.

The American loyalists generally didn’t systematically round up men, women and children and execute them.

The American loyalists also didn’t participate in genocide.

Some causes are objectively evil, and no amount of cliches changes that.
 
But that argument is only a diversion from the OP article ... Putin's expanding quest to engage in European revisionist history.


“Revisionist history”

Portraying Nazi collaborators as heroes is a rather blatant example of revisionist history.
 
80% of German troops were fighting the Red Army on the Eastern Front.


And they did so with large amounts of American and Western aid, including crucial logistical supplies such as sturdy US built trucks.

Lend lease was absolutely invaluable when it came to keeping the Soviet war machine running smoothly
 
Is it really not clear why Stalin's popularity is growing and will continue to grow?
The answer is simple - "the responsibility of the elite".
And any elite - old, new, military, creative - does not matter.
And now the elite has it written on their foreheads: "HIGHLY PAID & NOT RESPONSIBLE"
 
It's obvious the Russian people haven't learned a lesson.

That's what happens when school systems suck kolbasa.
 
It's obvious the Russian people haven't learned a lesson.

That's what happens when school systems suck kolbasa.

Given the celebration of Bandera and the Ukrainian SS units, I wouldn’t be tossing stones in a glass house if I were you
 
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