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    Putinís Latest Obsession: A New World War II Narrative

    Putinís Latest Obsession: A New World War II Narrative


    Putin with Defense Minister Sergey Shoygu.

    1/10/20
    The 75th anniversary of the end of World War II was the only forthcoming event Russian President Vladimir Putin mentioned in his New Yearís address to the nation. Creating an alternative to the dominant Western narrative about that war is key to Putinís way of securing Russiaís place in the world. Putin has appeared lately to be obsessed with World War II, discoursing about it at every opportunity ó during an informal session with other post-Soviet leaders, at his big end-of-year press conference, in a meeting with Russian tycoons, at the Defense Ministry in the presence of top generals. Heís talked time and again about delving into archival documents; heís mentioned working on a scholarly article about the war. Even for a leader who has made the Soviet Unionís victory over the Nazis (seen by many as a triumph over a rotten Europe) a cornerstone of the new Russian national identity, Putinís evident emotional involvement and the sheer time investment are unusual. Thatís because Putin, his foreign policy advisers and his propagandists see the dominant narrative of the war shifting against Russia. Throughout the Cold Warís worst years, the victorious alliance of the Soviet Union, the U.S., the U.K. and France was a reminder that cooperation was possible. There is, however, a tendency to dump that baggage now and to treat Russia as a villain without any qualifications. Late last year, British Prime Minister Boris Johnson was asked to recall when heíd changed his mind. His response: What Iíve really changed my mind on was whether it is possible to reset with Russia. I really thought, as I think many foreign secretaries and prime ministers have thought before, that we could start again with Russia. That itís a great country we fought with against fascism. It was very, very disappointing that I was wrong.

    The Kremlin is extremely sensitive to such signals ó not just for domestic propaganda reasons, but because Russiaís global power is still based on some important spoils of World War II. As one of the nations that vanquished Hitler, the Soviet Union didnít just win control over Eastern Europe, it received a place atop the postwar global order and an all-important permanent seat on the United Nations Security Council. If the Soviet Union is primarily seen as Hitlerís ally at the outset of the war ó which of course it was ó rather than a Hitler conqueror at its conclusion, if Russia has never really been on the right side of history, it has no claim to moral authority and to a role as a global arbiter. To Putin, that role is, in a way, as important as Russiaís nuclear shield. The ability to say authoritatively whatís right and whatís wrong is, after all, a major part of what makes the U.S. a global superpower. Kremlin-linked historians and propagandists see the shifting narrative as the result of Eastern Europeís increased role in the continent as a whole. Since, of all European nations, Poland and the Baltic states are the most concerned with the policy and politics of memory, their loud voices have drawn the European political eliteís attention away from the victory and toward the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact of 1939, in which Nazi Germany and Josef Stalinís USSR divided up spheres of influence in Europe. One result of this was a European Parliament resolution last year that equates the Soviet regime with the Nazi one in terms of the damage done to Europe, a document that has been a strong irritant to the Russian leadership and to Putin personally. Much of Putinís foreign-policy activity this year will be directed toward trying to rebuild a more Russia-centric concept of the victory over the Nazis. This is territory where Putin isnít prepared to give ground, and given the enormous complexity of the historical material as well as the cross-currents of Israeli, U.S. and European memory politics, he can put up quite a diplomatic and propaganda fight.
    The reality is Mr. Putin, Russia willingly joined with Nazi Germany in 1939 to carve up and subjugate Poland and the Baltic States.

    Operation Barbarossa doesn't erase that despicable and bloody chapter of Russia's history.


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    Re: Putinís Latest Obsession: A New World War II Narrative

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Valley View Post
    Putin’s Latest Obsession: A New World War II Narrative


    Putin with Defense Minister Sergey Shoygu.



    The reality is Mr. Putin, Russia willingly joined with Nazi Germany in 1939 to carve up and subjugate Poland and the Baltic States.

    Operation Barbarossa doesn't erase that despicable and bloody chapter of Russia's history.
    I wonder if it ever occurred to Putin to leave the past lie and concentrate on building good will in the present.

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    Re: Putinís Latest Obsession: A New World War II Narrative

    Quote Originally Posted by bearpoker View Post
    I wonder if it ever occurred to Putin to leave the past lie and concentrate on building good will in the present.
    No. Putin is ex-KGB. He characterizes the fall of the Soviet Union as the greatest catastrophe to ever befall Russia. He longs for a return to the Soviet Empire.

    With Putin, tangible results are more important than Western perceptions (pariah state).

    Ergo, his wars against Ukraine (a former possession of the Soviet Empire) and Syria (to make Russia a ME player again like it was before the disaster of the Six Day War).


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    Re: Putinís Latest Obsession: A New World War II Narrative

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Valley View Post
    Putin’s Latest Obsession: A New World War II Narrative


    Putin with Defense Minister Sergey Shoygu.



    The reality is Mr. Putin, Russia willingly joined with Nazi Germany in 1939 to carve up and subjugate Poland and the Baltic States.

    Operation Barbarossa doesn't erase that despicable and bloody chapter of Russia's history.
    Eh, this is really not that new of an idea. The Russians, just like the Soviets before, long maintained that their non-aggression pact was a necessary strategic move in light of the Munich Agreement. Putin's latest commentary doesn't seem to divulge from that too much, it's just now social media gives it a new platform to speak about it.
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    Re: Putinís Latest Obsession: A New World War II Narrative

    Quote Originally Posted by Jredbaron96 View Post
    Eh, this is really not that new of an idea. The Russians, just like the Soviets before, long maintained that their non-aggression pact was a necessary strategic move in light of the Munich Agreement. Putin's latest commentary doesn't seem to divulge from that too much, it's just now social media gives it a new platform to speak about it.
    True enough. But regardless of its heritage, this narrative must still be challenged.

    Especially today, when too many people allow trolls to do their thinking on social media.


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    Re: Putinís Latest Obsession: A New World War II Narrative

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Valley View Post
    Putin’s Latest Obsession: A New World War II Narrative


    Putin with Defense Minister Sergey Shoygu.



    The reality is Mr. Putin, Russia willingly joined with Nazi Germany in 1939 to carve up and subjugate Poland and the Baltic States.

    Operation Barbarossa doesn't erase that despicable and bloody chapter of Russia's history.
    The reality is that many people in Eastern Europe happily joined with the Nazis to try to exterminate their local Jewish populations.

    Not only that, but many of those folks are now heralded as “heroes” because they used anti communism to justify their genocidal actions.

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    Re: Putinís Latest Obsession: A New World War II Narrative

    As I was saying about trolls.


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    Re: Putinís Latest Obsession: A New World War II Narrative

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Valley View Post
    As I was saying about trolls.
    So in other words you canít defend your position so you cowardly shriek about ďtrollsĒ.

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