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Russia Ready for Ukraine Peace Talks but Sets Preconditions

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Russia Ready for Ukraine Peace Talks but Sets Preconditions

In his remarks on September 13, Leonid Kuchma said Kyiv cannot accept trade-offs.

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9/13/19
Russia is ready to take part in a four-way summit in Paris to try to breathe life into the stalled Ukrainian peace process but has strict preconditions for such a meeting, a senior Kremlin aide said on Friday. Kiev's forces have been battling pro-Russian separatists in the Donbass region of eastern Ukraine since 2014 in a conflict that has claimed more than 13,000 lives. Sporadic fighting continues despite a ceasefire agreement. Ukraine, Russia, Germany and France last met in October 2016 for talks to implement a peace deal agreed in the Belarussian capital Minsk the year before but which failed to achieve a lasting ceasefire. "We believe that such a meeting should take place and we agree that it can be held in Paris, as proposed by French President (Emmanuel) Macron," said Kremlin aide Yuri Ushakov. He said no date had yet been fixed but added that Moscow had three preconditions before it would agree to attend.

The rival armed forces in eastern Ukraine should be separated on either side of the line of contact, he said. Also, the wording on a special status for the Donbass region should be agreed and there must also be a preliminary agreement on what the summit's conclusions should be. Hopes for an improvement in relations between Russia and Ukraine have revived following a prisoner swap last week. Ushakov called the exchange "a very important action," which he said could facilitate better ties between the two countries. He said he did not rule out the Paris summit taking place in October. Ukraine's new president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy, said earlier on Friday he expects to meet U.S. President Donald Trump in September and that peace talks to resolve the Donbass conflict would also take place this month.
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No preconditions are acceptable. Russia is the aggressor nation here. Summit conclusions should be; Crimea is returned to Ukraine, all Russian military/intelligence personnel and weaponry in occupied east Ukraine must withdraw to Russia proper, Ukraine gains sovereign control over all of its borders, no "special status" for the occupied portions of Luhansk and Donetsk oblasts, Russia pays war reparations. Although elected by a wide margin, the people of Ukraine have made it clear to new president Volodmyr Zelenskyy that he must not cross "red lines" in the Russia negotiations. Those red lines are denoted in this paragraph.

On another note, before the recent "35 for 35" prisoner swap, Putin and French president Macron met. I have a feeling that they arrived at a private understanding of what would be required of Russia in order to end Western sanctions. Very shortly, Ukraine, Russia, France, Germany, and the OSCE will meet in Minsk, Belarus. Ukraine will be represented by the country's second President, Leonid Kuchma. Russia will be represented by Vladislav Surkov who manages the Ukraine portfolio for the Kremlin. These are high officials only one level removed from the respective presidents. Macron cannot bargain away Ukraine sovereignty just to please and placate Russia. I don't trust Macron or Merkel one iota.

Related: Kuchma Says Ukraine Should Not Make 'Unacceptable' Concessions To Russia

Ukraine fears forced concessions at talks with Russia
 
Several things are noteworthy.

As in Iran, France is stepping up to try and fill the power void created by the Trump Adminisration’s abandonment of the United States’ leadership role in the world.

It isn’t unusual at all for nations engaging in talk like this to try and set pre conditions.

Also, Macron has no power at all to relieve American sanctions.

Although, as with Iran he could influence whether our western allies abandoned American sanctions.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Russia Ready for Ukraine Peace Talks but Sets Preconditions

In his remarks on September 13, Leonid Kuchma said Kyiv cannot accept trade-offs.

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No preconditions are acceptable. Russia is the aggressor nation here. Summit conclusions should be; Crimea is returned to Ukraine, all Russian military/intelligence personnel and weaponry in occupied east Ukraine must withdraw to Russia proper, Ukraine gains sovereign control over all of its borders, no "special status" for the occupied portions of Luhansk and Donetsk oblasts, Russia pays war reparations. Although elected by a wide margin, the people of Ukraine have made it clear to new president Volodmyr Zelenskyy that he must not cross "red lines" in the Russia negotiations. Those red lines are denoted in this paragraph.

On another note, before the recent "35 for 35" prisoner swap, Putin and French president Macron met. I have a feeling that they arrived at a private understanding of what would be required of Russia in order to end Western sanctions. Very shortly, Ukraine, Russia, France, Germany, and the OSCE will meet in Minsk, Belarus. Ukraine will be represented by the country's second President, Leonid Kuchma. Russia will be represented by Vladislav Surkov who manages the Ukraine portfolio for the Kremlin. These are high officials only one level removed from the respective presidents. Macron cannot bargain away Ukraine sovereignty just to please and placate Russia. I don't trust Macron or Merkel one iota.

Related: Kuchma Says Ukraine Should Not Make 'Unacceptable' Concessions To Russia

Ukraine fears forced concessions at talks with Russia
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The problem is that Ukraine cannot function intact. The Russians in the East and Crimea are going to vote fir a pri-Ryssuan candidate. Then if he wins, the West just has anirher revolution. They've done it twice. Ukraine will actually gw better off without the Russian areas. They will be able to do as they please join the EU, whatever.
 
rocket88 said:
The problem is that Ukraine cannot function intact. The Russians in the East and Crimea are going to vote fir a pri-Ryssuan candidate. Then if he wins, the West just has anirher revolution. They've done it twice. Ukraine will actually gw better off without the Russian areas. They will be able to do as they please join the EU, whatever.
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Ukraine is much larger that the occupied portions of two oblasts. No pro-Russia candidate or party has won anything of note since 2014.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Ukraine is much larger that the occupied portions of two oblasts. No pro-Russia candidate or party has won anything of note since 2014.
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Well, they didn't win because their voters were effectively cut off from voting. 2014 is about when this all started.

Yes, there's more to Ukraine, but the differences cast serious doubt on whether the country can function as a democracy if intact.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Russia Ready for Ukraine Peace Talks but Sets Preconditions
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Of course Putin set preconditions, Putin is not a freakin' orange ass hole.

ONLY our GOD does not set preconditions.

The moron in chief.
 
rocket88 said:
Well, they didn't win because their voters were effectively cut off from voting. 2014 is about when this all started.

Yes, there's more to Ukraine, but the differences cast serious doubt on whether the country can function as a democracy if intact.
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Seems Putin was afraid that it could function just fine now doesn't it?

A rhetorical question.
 
noonereal said:
Of course Putin set preconditions, Putin is not a freakin' orange ass hole.

ONLY our GOD does not set preconditions.

The moron in chief.
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Keep your crappy God in the religion forum.
 
rocket88 said:
History would point to the opposite.
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No. There was no 'insurrection' anywhere in Ukraine until GRU/Spetznaz operatives entered Donbas in tourist buses prior to the Crimea action (another GRU operation).

These moves were planned by the Kremlin in mid-January 2014 to take advantage of Maidan in Kyiv.
 
Rogue Valley said:
No. There was no 'insurrection' anywhere in Ukraine until GRU/Spetznaz operatives entered Donbas in tourist buses prior to the Crimea action (another GRU operation).

These moves were planned by the Kremlin in mid-January 2014 to take advantage of Maidan in Kyiv.
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2 revolutions in Kiev to unseat an elected President, because they wanted a Western lean and he was pro-Russian. This President was elected on the votes of those in the Donbass and Crimea. Put these areas bsck in Ukraine as if nothing happened and it will all happen again.

That's not a functional democratic system.
 
rocket88 said:
2 revolutions in Kiev to unseat an elected President, because they wanted a Western lean and he was pro-Russian. This President was elected on the votes of those in the Donbass and Crimea. Put these areas bsck in Ukraine as if nothing happened and it will all happen again.

That's not a functional democratic system.
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After Yanukovych agreed to hold early elections and signed that document in front of German, French, and Russian diplomats, he fled that night to Russia with billions in embezzled state monies.

Since there was no provision at that time in the Ukraine Constitution for presidential impeachment (there is now), his own majority party in Parliament (Party of Regions) voted to remove him from office for dereliction of duty.

Since then (2014) Ukraine has held 2 Presidential and 2 Parliamentary elections monitored by thousands of foreign election monitors. The democratic system functions very well in Ukraine.

What are you now, another Putin lover?
 
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