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[W:69] 900 Roma Forced to Move After Village Brawl in Russia

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900 Roma Forced to Move After Village Brawl in Russia

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Chemodanovka, Russia.

6/18/19
A community of about 900 Roma in Russia’s Penza region have been forcibly relocated to the Volgograd region following a mass brawl with local residents, the investigative Novaya Gazeta newspaper has reported. A mass fight reportedly broke out between residents of the village of Chemodanovka and the local Roma community on June 13, resulting in five people being hospitalized, one of whom died of stab wounds. The next day, about 1,500 residents held a rally, and on June 15, locals set fire to a Roma house in a nearby village. Hundreds of Roma from Chemodanovka and the neighboring village of Lopatki were put on buses and moved to the Volgograd region about 500 kilometers away, Sergei Fadeyev, the head of the Chemodanovka village council, was cited as saying during a public forum with residents. “All the Roma living here were taken to the Volgograd region, where the local diaspora agreed to shelter them,” Novaya Gazeta cited Fadeyev as saying. “This was done by force. We are studying the question of the legality of their residence in our village council.” When asked by residents whether the Roma would return, Fadeyev said it wouldn’t happen soon, and likely not at all. A spokesperson for the Penza region governor denied that the Roma had been relocated by force. “The Roma voluntarily decided to leave their homes,” spokeswoman Dina Cheremushkina told Novaya Gazeta. “Where they went, I cannot say. Surely they have relatives or friends in different regions. Buses were not organized for them.”

The Putin government solution? Bus the entire Roma community of 900 elsewhere. Ethnic cleansing.
 
900 Roma Forced to Move After Village Brawl in Russia

9d8d7e83bc6b58348c5b9f858109ae17.jpg

Chemodanovka, Russia.

The Putin government solution? Bus the entire Roma community of 900 elsewhere. Ethnic cleansing.

Not to agree with Putin's actions, but you do know what the name/label "Roma" means right?

They are the "Romani," gypsies. I've known a number of gypsies personally, some actually were friends.

But to put it politely, they have an hmmmm… radically different view of property and other economic "rights."

It's possible some issues with this "difference of opinion" on who owns what and other ways of viewing "economics" could be a root problem. Just saying. :coffeepap:
 
I've interacted with Roma in Eastern Europe, and also with Cossacks. You?

I've interacted with Roma who came from Russia, Romania, and other parts of Europe...and also some Cossacks (which are NOT "Romani," but Turkic if I recall correctly, btw). We can play this game all day long.

My original point stands. :coffeepap:
 
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I've interacted with Roma who came from Russia, Romania, and other parts of Europe...and also some Cossacks (which are NOT "Romani" btw). We can play this game all day long.

My original point stands. :coffeepap:

You had no original point other than they deserve whatever befalls them due to stereotyping.
 
You had no original point other than they deserve whatever befalls them due to stereotyping.

Not really, not my point at all. My point is more in the line of there might be valid reasons for discord of this nature beyond simple "prejudice."
 
Not really, not my point at all. My point is more in the line of there might be valid reasons for discord of this nature beyond simple "prejudice."

And what would those valid reasons be Adverse? Tick them off for me.
 
A kind of low-key ethnic cleansing of Roma has been going on in Kosovo, in Italy and in France for years. The mistreatment of Roma is a pan-European problem from the Ural Mountains to the Bay of Biscay and from the Baltic Sea to the Mediterranean Sea. This does not in anyway excuse the Putin Regime's actions which are vile, but rather shows that such behaviour towards Roma communities is a shared European-wide bigotry and a much larger problem which is not limited to Russia alone.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
Not really, not my point at all. My point is more in the line of there might be valid reasons for discord of this nature beyond simple "prejudice."

Captain Adverse:

If crime is an issue you punish the individuals found responsible for the crimes by the Rule of Law. You don't uproot entire communities for crimes committed by individuals and by groups of individuals.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
900 Roma Forced to Move After Village Brawl in Russia

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Chemodanovka, Russia.



The Putin government solution? Bus the entire Roma community of 900 elsewhere. Ethnic cleansing.

To be fair that has been the solution for the "Romani problem" by most European nations.

The Romani people are a problem in many countries.... but as with all problems, it is often a minority of a minority that cause the largest portion of the problem. Take my area... here we have petty theft and begging, and it can almost always be traced to two groups... Eastern European gangs or the Romani camp outside town.
 
To be fair that has been the solution for the "Romani problem" by most European nations.

The Romani people are a problem in many countries.... but as with all problems, it is often a minority of a minority that cause the largest portion of the problem. Take my area... here we have petty theft and begging, and it can almost always be traced to two groups... Eastern European gangs or the Romani camp outside town.

you know why ? Western Europa can not openly talk about The Romani people . why there is not problem with The Romani people in Northern eastern Europe ? this region don't allow gypsies the professional bagging , many of them doing drugs , and regularly getting jail time without any media storms
 
Not really, not my point at all. My point is more in the line of there might be valid reasons for discord of this nature beyond simple "prejudice."

Yup, Ive been harassed by Roma at train stations while visiting the EU. They will pretend to help you and then demand money or try to pick your pocket as another distracts you. Of course, not all of them do it, but they are commonly associated with such stuff, and theyve been doing this for a long time. The cops always crack down on them as a group.
 
Yup, Ive been harassed by Roma at train stations while visiting the EU. ...
i know that you are the one who can be easily harassed by southern bums thats why you are on putler´s side
 
i know that you are the one who can be easily harassed by southern bums thats why you are on putler´s side

Youre on his side too since you always mention him. Are you in love?
 
Not to agree with Putin's actions, but you do know what the name/label "Roma" means right?

They are the "Romani," gypsies. I've known a number of gypsies personally, some actually were friends.

But to put it politely, they have an hmmmm… radically different view of property and other economic "rights."

It's possible some issues with this "difference of opinion" on who owns what and other ways of viewing "economics" could be a root problem. Just saying. :coffeepap:

Don't be polite. When you're right, you're right.
Sad but true, gypsy values are indeed parasitic values, because living as a parasite is at the core of those values.
Gypsies are often "romanticized" in popular culture. Here in the United States we're even producing reality TV programs that make gypsies appear to be noble and "misunderstood".

Sorry but customs that encourage dropping out of school and maintaining illiteracy for women, and sneer at concepts like private property are not noble, and they are understood perfectly.

I am not entirely sure that one can draw a direct comparison between gypsies and sovereign citizens but the two groups certainly share some common ground.
 
Don't be polite. When you're right, you're right.
Sad but true, gypsy values are indeed parasitic values, because living as a parasite is at the core of those values.
Gypsies are often "romanticized" in popular culture. Here in the United States we're even producing reality TV programs that make gypsies appear to be noble and "misunderstood".

Sorry but customs that encourage dropping out of school and maintaining illiteracy for women, and
sneer at concepts like private property are not noble, and they are understood perfectly.

I am not entirely sure that one can draw a direct comparison between gypsies and sovereign citizens but the two groups certainly share some common ground.
clearly they adhere to such values, as we are told:
... A spokesperson for the Penza region governor denied that the Roma had been relocated by force. “The Roma voluntarily decided to leave their homes,” ...
 
clearly they adhere to such values, as we are told:

I'm not supporting ethnic cleansing, just saying that it is impossible to assimilate a culture that refuses to adapt.
If they had their own private homes and they're supporting themselves by legal means then ethnic cleansing is a crime, and in many cases a war crime. Don't assume that I am siding with Putin's decision to uproot these people.

I am simply saying that my experiences with "traveller" communities is similar to Adverse's.
We had a traveller community down the road from us in Mansfield, TX.

And unfortunately some of the stereotypes turned out to be true.
 
Isn’t that why they are stereotypes
I'm not supporting ethnic cleansing, just saying that it is impossible to assimilate a culture that refuses to adapt.
If they had their own private homes and they're supporting themselves by legal means then ethnic cleansing is a crime, and in many cases a war crime. Don't assume that I am siding with Putin's decision to uproot these people.

I am simply saying that my experiences with "traveller" communities is similar to Adverse's.
We had a traveller community down the road from us in Mansfield, TX.

And unfortunately some of the stereotypes turned out to be true.
 
Isn’t that why they are stereotypes

No. Stereotypes often have a grain of truth, which is what makes them stereotypes to begin with.
Every kid in the Remington Ranch neighborhood and beyond knew to stay away from Flying L Lane for a reason.
Every adult in the neighborhood and every Mansfield cop knew that that area was the first place to look if your tools got stolen from your work truck.

When an elementary school finally was built down the street, the owners of the Texan RV Ranch were given an ultimatum to either close down entirely or get the travellers out of there and they chose the second option.
 
you know why ? Western Europa can not openly talk about The Romani people . why there is not problem with The Romani people in Northern eastern Europe ? this region don't allow gypsies the professional bagging , many of them doing drugs , and regularly getting jail time without any media storms

LOL there is a problem in Northern and eastern Europe. One of the biggest problem families in my aunts area is a Romani family..The difference is the amount of Romani in various countries.
 
Don't be polite. When you're right, you're right.
Sad but true, gypsy values are indeed parasitic values, because living as a parasite is at the core of those values.
Gypsies are often "romanticized" in popular culture. Here in the United States we're even producing reality TV programs that make gypsies appear to be noble and "misunderstood".

Sorry but customs that encourage dropping out of school and maintaining illiteracy for women, and sneer at concepts like private property are not noble, and they are understood perfectly.

I am not entirely sure that one can draw a direct comparison between gypsies and sovereign citizens but the two groups certainly share some common ground.
there are many different groups of Gypsies . but when it comes to Afro - Americans, Gypsies , South Africa , USA pop- culture produces very much misleading images.

i´d recommend this film when it comes to Rumanian Gypsies history
 
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