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    Re: The epidemic of measles from Ukraine spreads across Europe

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Valley View Post
    Why should Jane run when she’s vaccinated? Don’t vaccines work?
    Something to think about perhaps?

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    Re: The epidemic of measles from Ukraine spreads across Europe

    Quote Originally Posted by ichinglady View Post
    Why should Jane run when she’s vaccinated? Don’t vaccines work?
    Something to think about perhaps?
    Something to think about. People who don't get measles are 100% immune to measles related complications.
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    Re: The epidemic of measles from Ukraine spreads across Europe

    Quote Originally Posted by Fledermaus View Post
    Something to think about. People who don't get measles are 100% immune to measles related complications.
    That’s simple.

    A vaccinated individual not only can become infected with measles (by the vaccine), but can also spread it to others who are also vaccinated against it.
    There’s your 100%.

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    Re: The epidemic of measles from Ukraine spreads across Europe

    Quote Originally Posted by ichinglady View Post
    That’s simple.

    A vaccinated individual not only can become infected with measles (by the vaccine), but can also spread it to others who are also vaccinated against it.
    There’s your 100%.
    What do you figure the infection rate is for vaccinated vs. unvaccinated?
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    Re: The epidemic of measles from Ukraine spreads across Europe

    Quote Originally Posted by ichinglady View Post
    The irony is that measles is transmitted by the vaccinated.

    Measles Is Transmitted By The Vaccinated, Gov. Researchers Confirm


    bovine manure.

    Sayer Ji is another one of these conspiracy nuts and a flipping liar as well. He utterly misrepresented (findings of) the study he quotes, as Ulrich von Andrian (co-author of the actually original study) has long since cleared up.

    By in no way confirming the ineffectiveness of vaccinations that you (and your tin-foil hat source) imply.

    Follow your own demand upon others to read the thing in the original and if you can then still uphold your silly claim (rather than remain silent as you should have from the getgo), you'll show yourself deserving of the disdain that your claim gets you.

    What next, flat-earthing?
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    Re: The epidemic of measles from Ukraine spreads across Europe

    Quote Originally Posted by Chagos View Post
    bovine manure.

    Sayer Ji is another one of these conspiracy nuts and a flipping liar as well. He utterly misrepresented (findings of) the study he quotes, as Ulrich von Andrian (co-author of the actually original study) has long since cleared up.

    By in no way confirming the ineffectiveness of vaccinations that you (and your tin-foil hat source) imply.

    Follow your own demand upon others to read the thing in the original and if you can then still uphold your silly claim (rather than remain silent as you should have from the getgo), you'll show yourself deserving of the disdain that your claim gets you.

    What next, flat-earthing?
    Believe what makes you feel good, secure and safe. I won’t blame anybody for doing so.

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    Re: The epidemic of measles from Ukraine spreads across Europe

    For the ones that dare to read it : for the ones with an open mind.

    “Benefits of Contracting Measles”, by Viera Scheibner, Ph.D.

    Well-managed natural infectious diseases are beneficial for children.

    When infectious diseases of childhood are not mismanaged by the administration of antibiotics, or by suppressing fever, the diseases prime and mature the immune system and also represent developmental milestones.

    Having measles not only results in life-long specific immunity to measles, but also in life-long non-specific immunity to degenerative diseases of bone and cartilage, sebaceous skin diseases, immunoreactive diseases and certain tumours as demonstrated by Ronne (1985).

    Having mumps protects against ovarian cancer (West 1969).

    This is the area that should be researched and the results heeded instead of trying the impossible: to eradicate infectious diseases.

    Benefits of Contracting Measles by Viera Scheibner, Ph.D. – Un peu d'air frais

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    Re: The epidemic of measles from Ukraine spreads across Europe

    Quote Originally Posted by ichinglady View Post
    Why should Jane run when she’s vaccinated? Don’t vaccines work?
    Something to think about perhaps?
    Why don't you take your anti-vaxxer arguments to the General Discussion or the Off-Topic Discussion forum?

    It doesn't really belong here in the Europe Forum.


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    Re: The epidemic of measles from Ukraine spreads across Europe

    Quote Originally Posted by ichinglady View Post
    Believe what makes you feel good, secure and safe. I won’t blame anybody for doing so.
    It isn't a question of belief, it's a matter of knowing and substituting knowledge by superstitious rubbish.

    That's the main difference between you and I.

    But like you I won't blame anyone for believing whatever. Just that it doesn't preclude me from refuting that which deserves derision, all of it being what this debate forum is about.

    Noticeable however how you do not address the proven misrepresentation that your source committed and if your idea of debate is that we should merely be exchanging beliefs, could be that this is not the right forum for you altogether.

    IOW if you have nothing of substance, don't pretend that you do.
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    Re: The epidemic of measles from Ukraine spreads across Europe

    Quote Originally Posted by ichinglady View Post
    For the ones that dare to read it : for the ones with an open mind.

    “Benefits of Contracting Measles”, by Viera Scheibner, Ph.D......................~
    She's as much an idiot unqualified in scientific approach as your previous source.

    But why indeed not take up the advice offered previously (as in):
    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Valley View Post
    Why don't you take your anti-vaxxer arguments to the General Discussion or the Off-Topic Discussion forum?

    It doesn't really belong here in the Europe Forum.
    ..........and stop cluttering up this particular sub-forum with matters totally unrelated to it.
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