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    Russia's piracy and kidnapping of 25 November 2018


    Kidnapped UA sailor as prisoner in occupied Crimea.

    Russian (in)justice in progress. Ukrainian lawyers were refused access to 24 UA sailors kidnapped by Russia. The 24 kidnapped sailors were brought before a Russian government judge in occupied Crimea and ordered held in confinement until January 28. Yesterday, Russian FSB security agents transferred the 24 kidnapped Ukrainian sailors to the infamous old KGB Lefortovo prison in Moscow. Moscow plans to "show trial" the UA sailors in groups of six, reminiscent of Stalin's show trials.
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    Empty Russian freighter blocking passage under the illegal Crimea Bridge.



    Below the illegal Crimea Bridge -- the international waters of the Black Sea. Above the illegal Crimea Bridge -- the waters of the Sea of Azov which are jointly owned (treaty) by Ukraine and Russia.

    In the image above, ships near the Kerch Strait on November 25 are represented as yellow circles. Russia's illegal Crimea Bridge which connects Russia (right) with Ukraine's occupied Crimea oblast (left) bisects the Kerch Strait midway on a horizontal axis. There is also a line bisecting the Kerch Strait on a vertical axis, with Ukrainian waters on the left and Russian waters on the right. The red circles are ship status on November 27. Note that ships bound for Russian ports on the Sea of Azov are allowed to sail on (top right red circles). Ships bound for Ukrainian ports on the Sea of Azov are not allowed to sail on (top left red circles).
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    Sailing manifest of the UA Navy ships from Odesa to Mariupol. They were intercepted by Russian navy craft in the
    international waters of the Black Sea prior to reaching the Kerch Strait.


    Ukraine can prove, via maritime-tracking open-sources such as MarineTraffic.com and VesselFinder.com that its 3 Navy ships where located in the international waters of the Black Sea southeast of Crimea when attacked by Russian Navy craft.
    All Russia can offer is a biased and self-serving account by the FSB (The internal Russian security service. Previously the KGB).


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    Re: Russia's piracy and kidnapping of 25 November 2018

    The question is not 'where were they finally captured' but 'Why did they violate Russian waters prior to fleeing back to international water'?

    To nobody's surprise, you are obsessed with the former but ignore the latter.

    The tactics and propaganda line were planned by Kiev and co-ordinated by the Ukr intelligence officers who just happened to be on the vessels.

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    Re: Russia's piracy and kidnapping of 25 November 2018

    The lovely map with the close details including the bridge and lots of Russian and Ukrainian ship fails to present the exact locations and approaches of the Ukrainian vessels. Since it is omitted, it is assumed it is an attempt to mislead the viewer. The area of dispute is within this map,not the Sea of Azov or the Black Sea.
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    Re: Russia's piracy and kidnapping of 25 November 2018

    Quote Originally Posted by Westphalian View Post
    The question is not 'where were they finally captured' but 'Why did they violate Russian waters prior to fleeing back to international water'?
    Where exactly are Russian waters in the Black Sea and Sea of Azov? Be specific.


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    Re: Russia's piracy and kidnapping of 25 November 2018

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    The lovely map with the close details including the bridge and lots of Russian and Ukrainian ship fails to present the exact locations and approaches of the Ukrainian vessels. Since it is omitted, it is assumed it is an attempt to mislead the viewer. The area of dispute is within this map,not the Sea of Azov or the Black Sea.
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    The precise ship location information and distress message location (government/open source) was supplied to ambassadors/governments, the UN Security Council, and the Maritime Arbitration Court.

    This information is also available to all littoral nations on the Black Sea (coastline radar), commercial/military ship radar, and reconnaissance aircraft.

    Well Fagan, it's obvious that you really don't know much about the maritime world. Must have been a grunt if military at all.


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    Re: Russia's piracy and kidnapping of 25 November 2018

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Valley View Post
    The precise ship location information and distress message location (government/open source) was supplied to ambassadors/governments, the UN Security Council, and the Maritime Arbitration Court.

    This information is also available to all littoral nations on the Black Sea (coastline radar), commercial/military ship radar, and reconnaissance aircraft.

    Well Fagan, it's obvious that you really don't know much about the maritime world. Must have been a grunt if military at all.
    Naval aircrewman Vietnam. I understand. They were close inshore to Crimea (Russian). That was the problem. I think you know that but avoid the admission.A Crimean judge put them in jail until January. About 60 days. Reasonable sentence for espionage. Perhaps the two Ukraine Intelligence Officers will get a little extra.
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    Re: Russia's piracy and kidnapping of 25 November 2018

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Naval aircrewman Vietnam. I understand. They were close inshore to Crimea (Russian). That was the problem. I think you know that but avoid the admission.A Crimean judge put them in jail until January. About 60 days. Reasonable sentence for espionage. Perhaps the two Ukraine Intelligence Officers will get a little extra.
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    They were never closer than 12 miles south of Crimea. Besides, Crimea is Ukrainian territory. You seem to conveniently forget that fact.


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    Re: Russia's piracy and kidnapping of 25 November 2018

    Video Fact Check: 8 Putin Claims Regarding the Kerch Strait Incident

    Mock Q&A session, including germane videos, with the KGB Colonel.


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    Re: Russia's piracy and kidnapping of 25 November 2018

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Valley View Post
    They were never closer than 12 miles south of Crimea. Besides, Crimea is Ukrainian territory. You seem to conveniently forget that fact.
    You ignore two important points. First: The Crimeans didn't recognize the CIA/NED/USA Coup d'Etat in Ukraine. Second: Crimea voted overwhelmingly to be annexed by Russia. End of story./

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    Re: Russia's piracy and kidnapping of 25 November 2018

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Valley View Post
    They were never closer than 12 miles south of Crimea. Besides, Crimea is Ukrainian territory. You seem to conveniently forget that fact.

    Well, I suggest you go there and tell everybody you can find
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