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    If you don't trust Church Authority, why do you trust the Bible?

    The Catholic Church decided the Canon of scripture and put together the first Christian Bible at the councils of Rome, Carthage, and hippo. If you don't trust Church Authority, what makes you think you have the correct Canon of scripture? Is there any scripture verses that declare all of those books to be inspired by God?

    How do you know there wasn't scriptures that never made it into that volume?

    If you accept that your Bible is the inspired word of God, and has the correct collection of books, you are indeed saying that you trust Church Authority outside of scripture.

    So if the Bible is your final Authority, why doesn't the Bible say it is the final Authority? Why doesn't the Bible it's self give you any proof that it is the inspired word of God?

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    Re: If you don't trust Church Authority, why do you trust the Bible?

    Quote Originally Posted by PopeADope View Post
    The Catholic Church decided the Canon of scripture and put together the first Christian Bible at the councils of Rome, Carthage, and hippo. If you don't trust Church Authority, what makes you think you have the correct Canon of scripture? Is there any scripture verses that declare all of those books to be inspired by God?
    There is no reason to conclude that the councils got it right. What made them think they have the right cannon (hint: trick question)

    How do you know there wasn't scriptures that never made it into that volume?
    History shows that there were many such 'books' that never made it into the bible. You've never heard of Apocrypha? Books like the Gospel of Thomas?

    If you accept that your Bible is the inspired word of God, and has the correct collection of books, you are indeed saying that you trust Church Authority outside of scripture.
    Many protestants use bibles that are not the same as the Catholic bibles and they were shortened using a different standard of what should be in the bible. Really basic stuff here.

    So if the Bible is your final Authority, why doesn't the Bible say it is the final Authority? Why doesn't the Bible it's self give you any proof that it is the inspired word of God?
    The bible gives no such proof, but that's really rather irrelevant to anything. That's why it's called 'faith'.
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    Re: If you don't trust Church Authority, why do you trust the Bible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tanngrisnir View Post
    There is no reason to conclude that the councils got it right. What made them think they have the right cannon (hint: trick question)

    History shows that there were many such 'books' that never made it into the bible. You've never heard of Apocrypha? Books like the Gospel of Thomas?

    Many protestants use bibles that are not the same as the Catholic bibles and they were shortened using a different standard of what should be in the bible. Really basic stuff here.

    The bible gives no such proof, but that's really rather irrelevant to anything. That's why it's called 'faith'.
    Of course I've heard of the apocrypha...my point is that the Bible is a Catholic book. Martin Luther got his Bible from the Catholic Church:
    https://pinoyteaparty.wordpress.com/.../30/the-bible/

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    Re: If you don't trust Church Authority, why do you trust the Bible?

    Quote Originally Posted by PopeADope View Post
    Of course I've heard of the apocrypha...my point is that the Bible is a Catholic book. Martin Luther got his Bible from the Catholic Church:
    https://pinoyteaparty.wordpress.com/.../30/the-bible/
    And? The Protestants changed it, making it their own. Who originally compiled it is irrelevant.
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    Re: If you don't trust Church Authority, why do you trust the Bible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tanngrisnir View Post
    And? The Protestants changed it, making it their own. Who originally compiled it is irrelevant.
    And I'm asking Protestants what basis they have for believing they have the correct Canon

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    Re: If you don't trust Church Authority, why do you trust the Bible?

    Quote Originally Posted by PopeADope View Post
    The Catholic Church decided the Canon of scripture and put together the first Christian Bible at the councils of Rome, Carthage, and hippo. If you don't trust Church Authority, what makes you think you have the correct Canon of scripture? Is there any scripture verses that declare all of those books to be inspired by God?

    How do you know there wasn't scriptures that never made it into that volume?

    If you accept that your Bible is the inspired word of God, and has the correct collection of books, you are indeed saying that you trust Church Authority outside of scripture.

    So if the Bible is your final Authority, why doesn't the Bible say it is the final Authority? Why doesn't the Bible it's self give you any proof that it is the inspired word of God?
    There are old documents to pull from and methods to use to vet various old texts (e.g. if one contradicts everything else then it's validity would be questioned). There is no need to rely on the Roman Catholic Church and, in fact, we shouldn't. Further, if you're going to believe in God then it would make sense that the message that He wanted to give to people would be preserved well enough to make that happen. If not, then what is the point?
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    Re: If you don't trust Church Authority, why do you trust the Bible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishking View Post
    There are old documents to pull from and methods to use to vet various old texts (e.g. if one contradicts everything else then it's validity would be questioned). There is no need to rely on the Roman Catholic Church and, in fact, we shouldn't. Further, if you're going to believe in God then it would make sense that the message that He wanted to give to people would be preserved well enough to make that happen. If not, then what is the point?
    And Catholics believe God guides the Church councils. How do you know God didn't set up a visible authority outside of scripture to settle disputes about scripture? Such an authority is needed because scripture leads people to opposite beliefs and scripture verses make opposite claims.

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    Re: If you don't trust Church Authority, why do you trust the Bible?

    Quote Originally Posted by PopeADope View Post
    And I'm asking Protestants what basis they have for believing they have the correct Canon
    Its a guide for moraly center.
    Cool thing about todays world we get to see all the different secs of christanity and their versions of scribture from their authoritarian churches and we can see that their bibles are the same as the ones we read from today in our sec. Probably because christanity was being practice for almost 400 years before churches (organized religion) showed up.
    Now watch what you say or they'll be calling you a radical, liberal, fanatical, criminal.

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    Re: If you don't trust Church Authority, why do you trust the Bible?

    Quote Originally Posted by PopeADope View Post
    The Catholic Church decided the Canon of scripture and put together the first Christian Bible at the councils of Rome, Carthage, and hippo. If you don't trust Church Authority, what makes you think you have the correct Canon of scripture? Is there any scripture verses that declare all of those books to be inspired by God?

    How do you know there wasn't scriptures that never made it into that volume?

    If you accept that your Bible is the inspired word of God, and has the correct collection of books, you are indeed saying that you trust Church Authority outside of scripture.

    So if the Bible is your final Authority, why doesn't the Bible say it is the final Authority? Why doesn't the Bible it's self give you any proof that it is the inspired word of God?

    Different preaching styles.

    I give my last pastor a year. He most always preached on the problems of local people and local politics. When he did preach a small part out of the bible ; it was only a few select books.

    The purpose of preaching is to learn from the bible and the teachings of the bible itself - not local people and their faults and certainly not local politics and its fallacies.

    So far , in about six years i have been to three churches. Each preacher.....preaching about the local problems - negative events such as drugs and murder. What was in the local.paper, and the drug overdose and murder rate.

    If want to listen to bad news all day- I will turn on the cable news and watch that.

    Preach on the bible, books from the bible and the people in the bible. Not what I see and watch everyday..... i already know that.

    This spring - I'm going to find another church.




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    Re: If you don't trust Church Authority, why do you trust the Bible?

    Quote Originally Posted by PopeADope View Post
    And Catholics believe God guides the Church councils. How do you know God didn't set up a visible authority outside of scripture to settle disputes about scripture? Such an authority is needed because scripture leads people to opposite beliefs and scripture verses make opposite claims.
    The bible is what GOD and its authors want us to know. I believe that there are things that was not published in the bible ..... that is still for US to learn.

    The bible has a lot of Wisdom and guidance ; it contains a lot of facts and education, and i also believe it is absent of info........things that we are not supposed to know.



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