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My Christian Beliefs[W:205]

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Except, of course, for the pesky fact that Jeremiah didn't know.
Oh, "countless" is pretty close.

Seeing how that could have come from me, maybe I should rename myself Jeremiah.:lol:
 
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You are correct. Earlier I said 1600. I should have said 2000 years. That makes Jeremiah even greater than I gave him credit. Thanks.
For saying the stars in the sky are countless?

Well, by that measure a grandson of mine is also truly great, irrespective of being only 6 years old.

That truly pleases me.;)
 
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You just cannot accept that Jeremiah knew 500 years before the fine scientist and 1,000 years before Kepler.

You seem to be mixing up poetry and poetic license with scientific knowledge. In doing so, you miss the point of the scriptures.
 
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But, when people cannot even be close to counting correctly, how is it that God could? Maybe we should have evolved from God. We would know far more than we do.

You mentioned Jeremiah, nickname the weeping prophet because as he prophesied of the coming judgement of Israel and his people did not believe him. He also embodied G-ds grief for having to pass judgement in the book of Jeremiah and in Lamentations. He was a mediator between G-d and his people. And for that he was ridiculed, scorned and treated quite badly by his people.

As you can see nothing has changed. For those who came after you in the manner they did, do not have the love of G-d in their hearts. If they did their responses would have been much different.
 
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You mentioned Jeremiah, nickname the weeping prophet because as he prophesied of the coming judgement of Israel and his people did not believe him. He also embodied G-ds grief for having to pass judgement in the book of Jeremiah and in Lamentations. He was a mediator between G-d and his people. And for that he was ridiculed, scorned and treated quite badly by his people.

As you can see nothing has changed. For those who came after you in the manner they did, do not have the love of G-d in their hearts. If they did their responses would have been much different.

I'm used to it. Contrary to their attempts to lessen what Jeremiah wrote, I still know that he said the stars were countless. They say their children could say the same thing; however, scientists only thought there were a few more than 1,000. I wonder what that says about science?
 
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"It is absolutely safe to say that if you meet somebody who claims not to believe in evolution, that person is ignorant, stupid or insane (or wicked, but I'd rather not consider that)." Rickard Dawkins

This is the mantra of higher education today. Do not question. Do not explore. Do not attempt to discover. Just accept whatever we tell you as the truth. If you do not do that, you will be called ignorant, stupid and maybe even insane.
 
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I've not seen convincing proof of any of the supernatural events described in the gospel accounts...

Here's one you can sweep under your rug:

Documenting a Gospel Miracle

https://righterreport.com/2007/07/14/documenting-a-miracle/

and those accounts themselves don't match each other.

Once again, show me your best one (1 ONE, JUST ONE) example. Make your case and include the pertinent scripture numbers.
 
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I'm used to it. Contrary to their attempts to lessen what Jeremiah wrote, I still know that he said the stars were countless. They say their children could say the same thing; however, scientists only thought there were a few more than 1,000. I wonder what that says about science?
It says that science will speak of what it can observe at the time of speaking.

Nothing more than that.
 
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"It is absolutely safe to say that if you meet somebody who claims not to believe in evolution, that person is ignorant, stupid or insane (or wicked, but I'd rather not consider that)." Rickard Dawkins

This is the mantra of higher education today. Do not question. Do not explore. Do not attempt to discover. Just accept whatever we tell you as the truth. If you do not do that, you will be called ignorant, stupid and maybe even insane.
Seems to me to be more the mantra of a certain (sub-)set of religious thinking as well as showing a certain ignorance over the tenets of higher education today.

Fortunately not representative of religion overall.
 
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I believe in God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. I believe in John 3:16, which says, "[SUP]16 [/SUP]For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." When it comes to religion, there are several religions that have a god. They can all be wrong in what they believe, but, if any are correct, only one can be correct. I know my Christian faith is the correct one. The fact that I know God exists upsets some people and that is okay with me. I have stated why I know God exists, but my reasons are unacceptable to some. That too is okay.

Can I prove that God exists? To many, I cannot. I have previously written here about how I know. The short version of the reasons are:

1. I look around and see the complexity of the universe and everything in it and it is clear to me that there is a designer. This reason is unacceptable to some. The details of the complexities are so great that randomness could never explain the details. Nor could nature explain it.
2. God has walked with me much of my life even when I was an Agnostic. Too many blessings have come to me that only God can provide. Some would say that personal experiences are not proof that God exists. They are correct. I know the do because they happened to me.
3. The Holy Spirit has talked to me on multiple times. He tells me when I should help others in very specific and personal ways.

Now, I have had two threads that have been closed because the discussion had become too personal. Well, this one may become too personal for some and may be cancelled by the Mods, but not because of me. I will not argue my beliefs. People can accept them or reject them.

Well okay you just believe whatever you want. You do you.

I don't know why you would be concerned about people accepting or rejecting them if you know these things then people rejecting it makes no difference.

But I do understand this is part of faith in the evangelism and what not. I tend to like to keep my beliefs about these sorts of things to myself. They are of no concern to anyone else.
 
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It says that science will speak of what it can observe at the time of speaking.

Nothing more than that.

I agree, science has limitations. Jeremiah knew much better than early scientists.
 
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Well okay you just believe whatever you want. You do you.

I don't know why you would be concerned about people accepting or rejecting them if you know these things then people rejecting it makes no difference.

But I do understand this is part of faith in the evangelism and what not. I tend to like to keep my beliefs about these sorts of things to myself. They are of no concern to anyone else.

I can certainly understand that.
 
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Seems to me to be more the mantra of a certain (sub-)set of religious thinking as well as showing a certain ignorance over the tenets of higher education today.

Fortunately not representative of religion overall.

I'm pretty sure that Dawkins doesn't represent religion.
 
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"It is absolutely safe to say that if you meet somebody who claims not to believe in evolution, that person is ignorant, stupid or insane (or wicked, but I'd rather not consider that)." Rickard Dawkins

This is the mantra of higher education today. Do not question. Do not explore. Do not attempt to discover. Just accept whatever we tell you as the truth. If you do not do that, you will be called ignorant, stupid and maybe even insane.

Yep, their words verbatim...yet they follow no one...lol...
 
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Yep, their words verbatim...yet they follow no one...lol...

Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted[a] by the devil. 2 After fasting forty days and forty nights, he was hungry. 3 The tempter came to him and said, “If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread.”
4 Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.’”
5 Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple. 6 “If you are the Son of God,” he said, “throw yourself down. For it is written:

“‘He will command his angels concerning you,
and they will lift you up in their hands,
so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.’”

7 Jesus answered him, “It is also written: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.’[”
8 Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. 9 “All this I will give you,” he said, “if you will bow down and worship me.”
10 Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’”
- Matthew 4:1-10
 
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Yep, their words verbatim...yet they follow no one...lol...

There is a plethora of evidence for evolution. The same cannot be said about your god. Posting bible verses will not spring him into existence.
 
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Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted[a] by the devil. 2 After fasting forty days and forty nights, he was hungry. 3 The tempter came to him and said, “If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread.”
4 Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.’”
5 Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple. 6 “If you are the Son of God,” he said, “throw yourself down. For it is written:

“‘He will command his angels concerning you,
and they will lift you up in their hands,
so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.’”

7 Jesus answered him, “It is also written: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.’[”
8 Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. 9 “All this I will give you,” he said, “if you will bow down and worship me.”
10 Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’”
- Matthew 4:1-10

Exactly...everyone follows someone, whether they choose to admit it or not...
 
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There is a plethora of evidence for evolution. The same cannot be said about your god. Posting bible verses will not spring him into existence.

And, there is growing evidence that Darwin got it wrong. Just like Kepler could not properly count the stars, Darwin could not tell what future science would bring to the subject.
 
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I agree, science has limitations. Jeremiah knew much better than early scientists.
I wouldn't call the quantifier of "countless" to represent accurate knowledge. Anyone can say that and still be saying nothing where actual numbers are concerned.
 
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I'm pretty sure that Dawkins doesn't represent religion.
Is your constant misunderstanding intentional or do you just like to twist meanings?

Nobody said that Dawkins represents religion, what was said though is that the following
Do not question. Do not explore. Do not attempt to discover. Just accept whatever we tell you as the truth.
can often be seen as the exact mantra of a certain sub-set of religion itself.

I can repeat this as often as you wish, your attempts at twisting words and meanings won't make any difference.
 
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I agree, science has limitations. Jeremiah knew much better than early scientists.

Telling lies about Jeremiah won't make your case.

Tell me, what does the bible say about lies?

Oh, wait. You likely wouldn't know.
 
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