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God Exists [W:114]

No one can prove God exists. That's why they call it faith. But it is a possibility that God does exist. Science can't prove God doesn't exist. Actually, the belief in God and the belief in science are quite similar. Several philosophers discuss this very phenomenon; science is often expressed in religious terms. Miracle cures, magic bullets, etc. And the most fundamental theories of science are based on such sketchy evidence that they require a leap of faith to be plausible. Religion promises a heaven after you die; science says, why wait, we can create a heaven right here on earth if we can just figure out this technology thing. The problem with technology is the law of unintended consequences; technology solves one problem but creates even more, so apply even more technology, only to see the problems geometrically expanding.

Science has not been successful at all in answering mankind's fundamental questions because they are primarily spiritual; where did I come from? Why am I here? What is the purpose of life? What happens after I die?

There is room for religion and science in this world. They address different questions. Science is good for showing us how things work. But it has no answers to those spiritual questions. That's where GOD comes in.
 
I already know that you don't know God. I hope you do some day.

No one 'knows' god, yours or anyone elses'. A willful delusion. People are able to believe anything if they really want to.
 
No one can prove God exists. That's why they call it faith. But it is a possibility that God does exist. Science can't prove God doesn't exist. Actually, the belief in God and the belief in science are quite similar. Several philosophers discuss this very phenomenon; science is often expressed in religious terms. Miracle cures, magic bullets, etc. And the most fundamental theories of science are based on such sketchy evidence that they require a leap of faith to be plausible. Religion promises a heaven after you die; science says, why wait, we can create a heaven right here on earth if we can just figure out this technology thing. The problem with technology is the law of unintended consequences; technology solves one problem but creates even more, so apply even more technology, only to see the problems geometrically expanding.

Science has not been successful at all in answering mankind's fundamental questions because they are primarily spiritual; where did I come from? Why am I here? What is the purpose of life? What happens after I die?

There is room for religion and science in this world. They address different questions. Science is good for showing us how things work. But it has no answers to those spiritual questions. That's where GOD comes in.

Religion and science are not in the least similar. Religion is based on faith and science on evidence. A scientific statement is one that can in principle be disproved; science progresses by the continued testing of existing hypotheses. In stark contrast religion deals in claims which cannot, in principle, be tested. At various times and places even a suggestion that religious statements might be questioned might result in a speedy execution.
 
At separate times I have offered three proofs that God exists. The have either been ignored or denied as proof. Here are the three proofs:

1. I look around and I see a universe that is highly complex, and in this universe, I see so many things that could not happen by randomness. They had to be designed. If not God, who designed the following:
A. The human body with the unbelievable complexity of muscles, bone, veins, arteries, blood, cornea, iris, hair, reproductive organs, joints, nose, ear, eye, phalanges, finger and toe nails. Nothing truly explains this better than there is a God.
B. Animals that are similar and not similar. Some can swim, some can fly, and some can neither swim or fly. Some are black, brown, gray, blue, green, white, etc. Some walk on 4 legs and some can walk on 2. Some cannot walk at all. Nothing truly explains this better than there is a God.
C. The planets, stars, asteroids, etc. Hubble has not found the end of the universe. Could it be infinite in length. If so and we traveled at 10,000 miles per second, we would be no closer to the beginning or the end as neither exists and man's mind can't really grasp this. Nothing truly explains this better than there is a God.
D. Many things in nature have a mathematical equation to them. Where did math come from and why is it it plays a part in science?
2. On February 29, 2012, my wife and her 40-year long Agnostic husband left on a tour of Israel. I had agreed to go as I thought it was a great place to see history and historic sites. When I returned from the trip, I had yet to be born again. I still had questions. I had friends who helped me obtain the answers. I began attending church regularly. I read Lee Strobel's book, "The Case For Christ." I joined my wife's Life Group and did some Bible studies. Through all of this, God was leading me back to Him. I understand why non-believers cannot accept this as proof, but I can state emphatically, that God brought me back to him. I was never an Atheist. I never knew that God did not exist. God knew that given the chance, I would begin to have a relationship with Him. I guarantee you that I did not just wake up one morning and say I believe.
3a. There have been many events in my life that I used to say were coincidences, but they were not. One is simply meeting my wife. How we met was an unreal event and I knew that I would never date her, but I did. We have now been married for nearly 49 years. My wife's mother was one who tried to control my wife. After 12 years of marriage, I got a transfer to another city and the control cycle was broken. Then, in yet another city, I lost my job. I was out of work for 6 months. I applied for a position at a company that had a location in a different city in the same state. That company called me and told me that they thought I might have better qualifications for a job at their corporate office. That office was in the city where we first moved from. I got the job and lost it the day we closed on a house we had just built. The move was in 1989. My wife was referred to a company where her (the referrer) mother worked. She got the job and had a 25 year career there. My father died in 1992, which left my mother in dire straights as she did not drive. For six years, I ran all the tasks she needed done. If I had not been offered the move back home, I would not have been there to assist her.
3b. On this one, I won't give details. The Holy Spirit has told me what to do on several occasions. These occasions were always to help others that I did not even know. These have been blessings to me from God.

Now, the last two are personal and might be denied by unbelievers, but I guarantee you, they happened and God was the driving force. Maybe, just maybe, non-believers cannot hear from the Holy Spirit or understand how God has had an invisible hand over their lives simply because one has to believe in order to see.

And now, for those who know what I mean, my wife, kids, grandchildren, and great grandson are going out to our Bumpus Christmas dinner. :)

"but I guarantee you". You are in no position to "guarantee" anything to anyone. While you are welcome to believe anything you wish I suggest you refrain from arrogance.
 
At separate times I have offered three proofs that God exists. The have either been ignored or denied as proof. Here are the three proofs:

1. I look around and I see a universe that is highly complex, and in this universe, I see so many things that could not happen by randomness. They had to be designed. If not God, who designed the following:
A. The human body with the unbelievable complexity of muscles, bone, veins, arteries, blood, cornea, iris, hair, reproductive organs, joints, nose, ear, eye, phalanges, finger and toe nails. Nothing truly explains this better than there is a God.
B. Animals that are similar and not similar. Some can swim, some can fly, and some can neither swim or fly. Some are black, brown, gray, blue, green, white, etc. Some walk on 4 legs and some can walk on 2. Some cannot walk at all. Nothing truly explains this better than there is a God.
C. The planets, stars, asteroids, etc. Hubble has not found the end of the universe. Could it be infinite in length. If so and we traveled at 10,000 miles per second, we would be no closer to the beginning or the end as neither exists and man's mind can't really grasp this. Nothing truly explains this better than there is a God.
D. Many things in nature have a mathematical equation to them. Where did math come from and why is it it plays a part in science?
2. On February 29, 2012, my wife and her 40-year long Agnostic husband left on a tour of Israel. I had agreed to go as I thought it was a great place to see history and historic sites. When I returned from the trip, I had yet to be born again. I still had questions. I had friends who helped me obtain the answers. I began attending church regularly. I read Lee Strobel's book, "The Case For Christ." I joined my wife's Life Group and did some Bible studies. Through all of this, God was leading me back to Him. I understand why non-believers cannot accept this as proof, but I can state emphatically, that God brought me back to him. I was never an Atheist. I never knew that God did not exist. God knew that given the chance, I would begin to have a relationship with Him. I guarantee you that I did not just wake up one morning and say I believe.
3a. There have been many events in my life that I used to say were coincidences, but they were not. One is simply meeting my wife. How we met was an unreal event and I knew that I would never date her, but I did. We have now been married for nearly 49 years. My wife's mother was one who tried to control my wife. After 12 years of marriage, I got a transfer to another city and the control cycle was broken. Then, in yet another city, I lost my job. I was out of work for 6 months. I applied for a position at a company that had a location in a different city in the same state. That company called me and told me that they thought I might have better qualifications for a job at their corporate office. That office was in the city where we first moved from. I got the job and lost it the day we closed on a house we had just built. The move was in 1989. My wife was referred to a company where her (the referrer) mother worked. She got the job and had a 25 year career there. My father died in 1992, which left my mother in dire straights as she did not drive. For six years, I ran all the tasks she needed done. If I had not been offered the move back home, I would not have been there to assist her.
3b. On this one, I won't give details. The Holy Spirit has told me what to do on several occasions. These occasions were always to help others that I did not even know. These have been blessings to me from God.

Now, the last two are personal and might be denied by unbelievers, but I guarantee you, they happened and God was the driving force. Maybe, just maybe, non-believers cannot hear from the Holy Spirit or understand how God has had an invisible hand over their lives simply because one has to believe in order to see.

And now, for those who know what I mean, my wife, kids, grandchildren, and great grandson are going out to our Bumpus Christmas dinner. :)

Ummm....

Starts by not understanding what atheists are.

Then wanders around with a classic God of the gaps, goes into pillgrimage and then relavation.

I have been exposed to many liars in my time. This sounds like them. It might not be but it sounds just too classically from the christian play book of how they want the world to be to be real.

oops, just noticed it was from the religious section, I am not allowed to post in here as it upsets too many people.
 
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No one 'knows' god, yours or anyone elses'. A willful delusion. People are able to believe anything if they really want to.
Yes, indeed, almost anything. For instance, that "No one 'knows' God." Even secret things like that, which would normally require some sort of psychic powers -- people are able to believe even that if the really want to, yes.
 
Isn't boid New York? Spring is sprung, the grass is riz, I wonder where da boidies iz?... So Goid would be from there?
From B'klyn, yes. I saw him once on the D train. Taller than I'd imagined.
 
Isn’t Goid just how you say Gord in Boston?

I thought Goid was the cousin of this guy:

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I do not expect some to agree with me. The One that counts does.

It's not a matter of whether or not I agree with you. It's a matter of what does and does not constitute proof. If these events have solidified to you that God exists, then thats great for you. However, to claim with definite certainty that God exists outside of your personal certainty takes a higher standard of proof than you have offered here. It has nothing to do with how I personally feel about what you said.
 
Isn’t Goid just how you say Gord in Boston?
From the archives of colloquial wisdoms:

The spring is sprung,
the grass is ris'
I wonder where the boidies is.

I think the boidy's on the wing.

Don't be absoid, the wing is surely on the boid.

;)
 
Isn't boid New York? Spring is sprung, the grass is riz, I wonder where da boidies iz?... So Goid would be from there?
Ooops, you beat me to it.

Nevertheless I supplied the logical conclusion, normally a rarity in these here parts.:mrgreen:
 
"Oh damn" said God "I didn't think of that." and poof! He disappeared in a puff of logic.
-Iforgetwho-

That was Hitchhikers guide to the galaxy. "That was easy, said the man, and immediately proved that black is white, and got killed at the next zebra crossing'.
 
The only one good method I know of is to learn. According to the website below, 32.5% of the world is Christian, followed by Islam with 21.5%. The third largest group is non-believers at 16%. Fifty-four percent believe in God or Allah, while only 16% are non-believers. It seems to me that the first question for a non-believer would be why am I in such a minority and why does this minority hold a 100% belief that they know better than over half the world. Certainly numbers do not guarantee correctness, but it should give people a reason to pause and find out why they belong to such a minority. I would suggest a non-believer find people who are believers and ask them why they are believers. From the sum of their comments, you might learn why 84% of the world believes in some kind of religion.

While those numbers may be accurate, how anyone chooses to interpret them is variable.

If 32.5% of the world is Christian, 67.5% is not, meaning 67.5% of humans do not view Christianity as the truth, hence, Christians are in a minority there. Same with Islam and other religions. But, atheists fit right in with those who disbelieve the truth of a different religion. All of them are joined by one common denominator -- the disbelief that the other religion is the truth.

So, your numbers are probably right, but they certainly don't support the idea that anyone religion is correct. Rather, they disprove it.
 
At separate times I have offered three proofs that God exists. The have either been ignored or denied as proof. Here are the three proofs:

1. I look around and I see a universe that is highly complex, and in this universe, I see so many things that could not happen by randomness. They had to be designed. If not God, who designed the following:
A. The human body with the unbelievable complexity of muscles, bone, veins, arteries, blood, cornea, iris, hair, reproductive organs, joints, nose, ear, eye, phalanges, finger and toe nails. Nothing truly explains this better than there is a God.
B. Animals that are similar and not similar. Some can swim, some can fly, and some can neither swim or fly. Some are black, brown, gray, blue, green, white, etc. Some walk on 4 legs and some can walk on 2. Some cannot walk at all. Nothing truly explains this better than there is a God.
C. The planets, stars, asteroids, etc. Hubble has not found the end of the universe. Could it be infinite in length. If so and we traveled at 10,000 miles per second, we would be no closer to the beginning or the end as neither exists and man's mind can't really grasp this. Nothing truly explains this better than there is a God.
D. Many things in nature have a mathematical equation to them. Where did math come from and why is it it plays a part in science?
2. On February 29, 2012, my wife and her 40-year long Agnostic husband left on a tour of Israel. I had agreed to go as I thought it was a great place to see history and historic sites. When I returned from the trip, I had yet to be born again. I still had questions. I had friends who helped me obtain the answers. I began attending church regularly. I read Lee Strobel's book, "The Case For Christ." I joined my wife's Life Group and did some Bible studies. Through all of this, God was leading me back to Him. I understand why non-believers cannot accept this as proof, but I can state emphatically, that God brought me back to him. I was never an Atheist. I never knew that God did not exist. God knew that given the chance, I would begin to have a relationship with Him. I guarantee you that I did not just wake up one morning and say I believe.
3a. There have been many events in my life that I used to say were coincidences, but they were not. One is simply meeting my wife. How we met was an unreal event and I knew that I would never date her, but I did. We have now been married for nearly 49 years. My wife's mother was one who tried to control my wife. After 12 years of marriage, I got a transfer to another city and the control cycle was broken. Then, in yet another city, I lost my job. I was out of work for 6 months. I applied for a position at a company that had a location in a different city in the same state. That company called me and told me that they thought I might have better qualifications for a job at their corporate office. That office was in the city where we first moved from. I got the job and lost it the day we closed on a house we had just built. The move was in 1989. My wife was referred to a company where her (the referrer) mother worked. She got the job and had a 25 year career there. My father died in 1992, which left my mother in dire straights as she did not drive. For six years, I ran all the tasks she needed done. If I had not been offered the move back home, I would not have been there to assist her.
3b. On this one, I won't give details. The Holy Spirit has told me what to do on several occasions. These occasions were always to help others that I did not even know. These have been blessings to me from God.

Now, the last two are personal and might be denied by unbelievers, but I guarantee you, they happened and God was the driving force. Maybe, just maybe, non-believers cannot hear from the Holy Spirit or understand how God has had an invisible hand over their lives simply because one has to believe in order to see.

And now, for those who know what I mean, my wife, kids, grandchildren, and great grandson are going out to our Bumpus Christmas dinner. :)

For 'Proofs' of god, those arguments are horribly bad. They each have logical fallacies so large you could drive a mack truck through them.. The first one is the typical 'argument from personal incredulity', and the other two are 'personal testimony that can not be distinguished from confirmation bias... and 'argument from personal belief.' This is also the 'correlation does not equal causation'. They might have significance for your personal spiritual journey, but as logical arguments and evidence, they are just bad arguments.
 
While those numbers may be accurate, how anyone chooses to interpret them is variable.

If 32.5% of the world is Christian, 67.5% is not, meaning 67.5% of humans do not view Christianity as the truth, hence, Christians are in a minority there. Same with Islam and other religions. But, atheists fit right in with those who disbelieve the truth of a different religion. All of them are joined by one common denominator -- the disbelief that the other religion is the truth.

So, your numbers are probably right, but they certainly don't support the idea that anyone religion is correct. Rather, they disprove it.

Where did I say that the numbers prove that one religion is correct? Next time, take your cult glasses off and read what I write, not what your prejudiced mind thinks.
 
For 'Proofs' of god, those arguments are horribly bad. They each have logical fallacies so large you could drive a mack truck through them.. The first one is the typical 'argument from personal incredulity', and the other two are 'personal testimony that can not be distinguished from confirmation bias... and 'argument from personal belief.' This is also the 'correlation does not equal causation'. They might have significance for your personal spiritual journey, but as logical arguments and evidence, they are just bad arguments.

To have a member of the Atheist Cult tell me that the logic is horrible is proof that the argument is correct. Thanks for acknowledging that.
 
Where did I say that the numbers prove that one religion is correct? Next time, take your cult glasses off and read what I write, not what your prejudiced mind thinks.

Someone's wearing their cult glasses but it isn't me. Your exact words were:

It seems to me that the first question for a non-believer would be why am I in such a minority and why does this minority hold a 100% belief that they know better than over half the world. Certainly numbers do not guarantee correctness, but it should give people a reason to pause and find out why they belong to such a minority.

So, I put the question back to you -- if 67.5 % of all people in the world do not believe in the Christian God, why does that not give you pause and cause you to ask why you belong in a minority that does?
 
To have a member of the Atheist Cult tell me that the logic is horrible is proof that the argument is correct. Thanks for acknowledging that.
You might actually want to take the time to educate yourself upon what a cult actually is.

Where controversy over the valid application of that term to any group persists, there's general agreement a cult need be a social group defined by its religious, spiritual, or philosophical beliefs, or its common interest in a particular personality, object or goal.

Seeing how atheists are not organized in any manner of a social group, neither the definitions nor the interests underlined above can apply.

Beyond which it would appear that you should also educate yourself upon the concepts of logic.

The way you attempt to apply it in the manner shown above, others might just as well say that any argument coming from a member of a religious group is thus by that nature at fault already.

And they'd be as devoid of logic as you have shown yourself to be and, consequently, just as wrong.
 
Where did I say that the numbers prove that one religion is correct? Next time, take your cult glasses off and read what I write, not what your prejudiced mind thinks.

Howard, you and your fellow cult members need to learn how to read. Secondly, not only did I not say one religion, I further said this: "Certainly numbers do not guarantee correctness" The comment was about the Atheist Cult's insignificance in the world. Why don't you go back to your Atheist Cult Forum and play there. Why try to ruin all of DP?
 
You might actually want to take the time to educate yourself upon what a cult actually is.

Where controversy over the valid application of that term to any group persists, there's general agreement a cult need be a social group defined by its religious, spiritual, or philosophical beliefs, or its common interest in a particular personality, object or goal.

Seeing how atheists are not organized in any manner of a social group, neither the definitions nor the interests underlined above can apply.

Beyond which it would appear that you should also educate yourself upon the concepts of logic.

The way you attempt to apply it in the manner shown above, others might just as well say that any argument coming from a member of a religious group is thus by that nature at fault already.

And they'd be as devoid of logic as you have shown yourself to be and, consequently, just as wrong.

That was one of the definitions. Here is another: "4. a group or sect bound together by veneration of the same thing, person, ideal, etc."

You guys continue to prove that your boasting of being the brightest bulbs on the tree is a false claim. You continue to prove your bulbs have burned out.
 
Where did I say that the numbers prove that one religion is correct? Next time, take your cult glasses off and read what I write, not what your prejudiced mind thinks.

If 50 million people say something foolish, it's still foolish. W Somerset Maugham
 
Your belief that God exists doesn't prove anything.

Your personal experiences are just that, and nothing more.
 
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