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Can there be an all mighty god?

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I'm not religious in the least, I have more then enough reason to be anti religious, rape, war, slavery the list goes on and on, but I don't hold it against anyone for being religious. If that's what works for you then God bless.

My real question here is, can a god (all religions are based on a god, gods, god like figure), be all mighty?

A say not.
 
I'm not religious in the least, I have more then enough reason to be anti religious, rape, war, slavery the list goes on and on, but I don't hold it against anyone for being religious. If that's what works for you then God bless.

My real question here is, can a god (all religions are based on a god, gods, god like figure), be all mighty?

A say not.

That's not something anyone can possibly know for sure. And just by simple rules of logic, if you aren't 100% certain that it isn't possible, you have to accept that it is possible.
 
That's not something anyone can possibly know for sure. And just by simple rules of logic, if you aren't 100% certain that it isn't possible, you have to accept that it is possible.

It gets crazy pedantic, but technically if you aren't sure it's impossible, then you have to accept that it's possible that it's possible. Not that the actual thing is possible.

For example, flipping a coin. You look at a coin, it's heads and tails, inspect it, it's an average everyday coin. So you can say "it's possible the next flip will be heads" or "it's possible the next flip will be tails".

But lets say you don't inspect the coin. The coin is a double headed coin. If you say "it's possible that the next flip will be tails" is now false. It's actually impossible. But under your terms, you weren't 100% sure due to lack of knowledge, so you called it possible. But it was never actually possible.
 
It gets crazy pedantic, but technically if you aren't sure it's impossible, then you have to accept that it's possible that it's possible. Not that the actual thing is possible.

For example, flipping a coin. You look at a coin, it's heads and tails, inspect it, it's an average everyday coin. So you can say "it's possible the next flip will be heads" or "it's possible the next flip will be tails".

But lets say you don't inspect the coin. The coin is a double headed coin. If you say "it's possible that the next flip will be tails" is now false. It's actually impossible. But under your terms, you weren't 100% sure due to lack of knowledge, so you called it possible. But it was never actually possible.

Oh it's totally pedantic, I agree. But on the subject of "can a god be almighty?" There is no way to 100% prove that there cannot be, so you have to accept the possibility. To be honest, I wish more people understood exactly what that means, but you clearly have a grasp of it. Thumbs up!
 
Oh it's totally pedantic, I agree. But on the subject of "can a god be almighty?" There is no way to 100% prove that there cannot be, so you have to accept the possibility. To be honest, I wish more people understood exactly what that means, but you clearly have a grasp of it. Thumbs up!

Well, these philosophical arguments essentially have to get a bit pedantic sometimes.

For instance, can god be all mighty? Depends on what you mean by all mighty. Does that mean a god can do anything, even that which contradicts logic? Like, can god make a 4 sided triangle? Or can he make a rock so big that he can't lift it? You have to change all mighty to "can god do everything that is not logically impossible?" Which is more in the "we can't know" camp.
 
Well just for argument sake, we can all agree that no god can be the all mighty (Do everything).
 
Well, what does it mean to be almighty? Theoretically our universe could be a simulation. In that case the programmer could exercise control over every particle of matter in the universe. Would that be almighty from the perspective of beings living in that universe?
 
Well then, can god, any god, create an object so big that even he cannot lift it? It's a simple yes or no.

It is not a simple yes or no question. You're operating on the assumption that a god would be subject to the same rules (matter has mass, mass requires energy for movement, weight subjective to gravity ect.). So "heavy" might not be a qualifier for a god.
 
I'm not religious in the least, I have more then enough reason to be anti religious, rape, war, slavery the list goes on and on, but I don't hold it against anyone for being religious. If that's what works for you then God bless.
I am sorry what? What does the existence of horrible human actions have to do with being anti-religious?

My real question here is, can a god (all religions are based on a god, gods, god like figure), be all mighty?

I say not.
What in your thinking makes that impossible? And even if say it was technically true that what we label god is actually bond by some type of physical laws much like we find within our experiences. If said God is capable of affecting to a significant degree the lives and actions of people and events would not the label of “all mighty” be appropriate?
 
It is not a simple yes or no question. You're operating on the assumption that a god would be subject to the same rules (matter has mass, mass requires energy for movement, weight subjective to gravity ect.). So "heavy" might not be a qualifier for a god.

Weight is just a descriptor we use for a thing. He supposedly made the earth, which has weight. So he can make something with weight if he exists. Now trying to ask "how much does god weigh" then you might have a point because that descriptor of "weight" might not apply. But you can't use that argument for this. It's a cop out.
 
I'm not religious in the least, I have more then enough reason to be anti religious, rape, war, slavery the list goes on and on, but I don't hold it against anyone for being religious. If that's what works for you then God bless.

My real question here is, can a god (all religions are based on a god, gods, god like figure), be all mighty?

A say not.

There are religions with Gods of limited and such of limited powers. So that cannot be the question.

Can there be a God of unlimited power? How in Christ’s name do you believe we could know?
 
Weight is just a descriptor we use for a thing. He supposedly made the earth, which has weight. So he can make something with weight if he exists. Now trying to ask "how much does god weigh" then you might have a point because that descriptor of "weight" might not apply. But you can't use that argument for this. It's a cop out.

If he created the rules and the forces that define weight whats to stop him from uncreating them?...you know what, I'm at work, can we put this on pause until I get home and have time to think?
 
If he created the rules and the forces that define weight whats to stop him from uncreating them?...you know what, I'm at work, can we put this on pause until I get home and have time to think?

You act as though I'm outside your office tapping on the window asking when you're free. Respond whenever dude. I don't care, lol.

He could uncreate weight. That's fine I suppose. But it still doesn't negate the question. "Can he not get rid of weight and make a rock so big that he can't lift it?"

I also think it's telling that these kinds of objections only pop up when the answer is very clearly "no he can't". If I were to ask "can he make a heavy rock" you wouldn't respond with "well weight doesn't apply". You'd respond with yes. When I ask a question where the answer is no you have to resort to trying to explain away weight as some ethereal thing that we don't really understand.
 
Well then, can god, any god, create an object so big that even he cannot lift it? It's a simple yes or no.

If He could do that, then He would not be Almighty...which He is imho...
 
If He could do that, then He would not be Almighty...which He is imho...

Right, if a god could create object so massive that he could not move it, not being able to move it is one thing he cannot do. If he cannot create something so massive because he can move anything that would be 1 thing he cannot do.

Therefore no god can do all, there will always be at least one thing a god cannot do. (The other is have us all agree)
 
Right, if a god could create object so massive that he could not move it, not being able to move it is one thing he cannot do. If he cannot create something so massive because he can move anything that would be 1 thing he cannot do.

Therefore no god can do all, there will always be at least one thing a god cannot do. (The other is have us all agree)

That would be two things..."and is based on a hope of the everlasting life that God, who cannot lie, promised long ago;" Titus 1:2

As for all being in agreement...that day will come...
 
Well then, can god, any god, create an object so big that even he cannot lift it? It's a simple yes or no.
Yes, and it not as illogical as it might seem.

The seeming illogical nature of said “un-liftable rock” is the result of your language not the concepts.

Does an all mighty God in the natural course of his existence lift rocks? No that absurd. To create such a situation we would need to add a condition.

Said god would have to inhabit a body or structure to act on such a rock, in this case lift. If God has said body (the body has the limitation of not being able to lift certain weights) that is an example of an expression of God not God(as a whole) and so said “body of god” could not lift the rock well the total being that makes up god could do anything with said rock thus it could be said, god could create a rock his expression could not lift.

Therefore no god can do all, there will always be at least one thing a god cannot do.
:) well see, your not acting objective. It can certainly be said that there are things God can not do without fundamentally changing us as observers. For example, if God made us all expressions of peace and harmony, we could not act independently of our environments. We would not be us. The world would not be...

So if something exists. God does not do things that contradict that. That does not however mean God can not do things that contradict that, it simply means doing so fundamentally changes the observed and we can conclude He does not do those things, we can even say he can't do those things, but that has an important caveat.
 
Yes, and it not as illogical as it might seem.

The seeming illogical nature of said “un-liftable rock” is the result of your language not the concepts.

Does an all mighty God in the natural course of his existence lift rocks? No that absurd. To create such a situation we would need to add a condition.

Said god would have to inhabit a body or structure to act on such a rock, in this case lift. If God has said body (the body has the limitation of not being able to lift certain weights) that is an example of an expression of God not God(as a whole) and so said “body of god” could not lift the rock well the total being that makes up god could do anything with said rock thus it could be said, god could create a rock his expression could not lift.


:) well see, your not acting objective. It can certainly be said that there are things God can not do without fundamentally changing us as observers. For example, if God made us all expressions of peace and harmony, we could not act independently of our environments. We would not be us. The world would not be...

So if something exists. God does not do things that contradict that. That does not however mean God can not do things that contradict that, it simply means doing so fundamentally changes the observed and we can conclude He does not do those things, we can even say he can't do those things, but that has an important caveat.
You can dance as much as you like, dress it any way you want, there are things a god cannot do. God does not have to occupy a physical body in which to move things, if he is all mighty.
 
You can dance as much as you like, dress it any way you want, there are things a god cannot do. God does not have to occupy a physical body in which to move things, if he is all mighty.
What dancing? I told you yes a hypothetical all mighty god could create said rock and why there is no logical error.

I would love to hear however how you suggest a non-corporeal being is able to lift or not lift a rock without assigning an additional condition.

Say one day a digital self-conscious life emerges. If one connected avatar robot can not lift a rock and another could - can the AI lift a rock or not lift a rock?

It no different with a non-corporeal god.
 
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