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Christian preacher yells faggots during sermon

MaggieD said:
It’s very difficult to understand why anyone using that language would be put front and center in a podcast about cults from a religious perspective. To me personally, the words fags or faggots is COMPLETELY unacceptable. Unless he produced the podcast, I can’t even imagine why he was chosen. Bastard? That one I don’t have a problem with. Not sure why I don’t, actually. Maybe because, compared to faggots, it’s so tame.

Personally, I think he’s in the wrong profession.
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The terms "fag" or "faggot" is used in this way to evoke controversy and to offend. I'm not saying you should habe any other view of it. But as a homosexual man myself I choose not to show emotion at the utterance of such words.
 
Captain Adverse said:
There are many people who call themselves Christian without understanding what the term really entails.
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If you ask me the term means someone who accepts Jesus Christ as lord and savior. Because I can't no what people place in their hearts I take them at their word. Being Christian however does not mean being a good or friendly person.

It is supposed to be about love, acceptance, and understanding; not judgement, bigotry, and self-righteousness.

It is in one's deeds, not one's words, that shows how truly Christian they are.
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I disagree it is accepting Jesus as Lord that identify someone as Christian. Deeds behaviors bigotry don't really seem to change whether or not someone is Christian but as I said above Kristen does not mean good necessarily.
 
it's just me said:
No, it's about obedience to the words of Jesus, what it is NOT about is conforming to the zeitgeist of society at large, Jesus said that himself. And I suppose it would be useless to point out that you made several judgments in the post I quoted.

And it's not that I agree with what the man in the OP said, but I agree with you even less.
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The pastor really thinks he is following the words of Jesus, and used the Bible to not only yell about "faggots," but to condemn other Christians like Mormons, Catholics, and Pentecostals.

I don't expect him to come out and bless a gay wedding, but his tone is really off putting. How can he be so sure he is the only correct version of Christianity? A lot of people read the bible, and reach different understandings.

Do you really think he using the words of Jesus and the Bible the right way?
 
William Rea said:
To be fair, in the current climate he would probably have gotten away with it if he had gone after trans people.
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That sounds very horrible. He really must really gay people.
 
SheWolf said:
The pastor really thinks he is following the words of Jesus, and used the Bible to not only yell about "faggots," but to condemn other Christians like Mormons, Catholics, and Pentecostals.

I don't expect him to come out and bless a gay wedding, but his tone is really off putting. How can he be so sure he is the only correct version of Christianity? A lot of people read the bible, and reach different understandings.

Do you really think he using the words of Jesus and the Bible the right way?
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So, you are unhappy about him condemning people he doesn't like and you ecpect me to condemn him?
 
Logicman said:
There's three main characteristics of a cult:

1. Cults often have their own "Holy" Book apart from the Bible that they claim is God-inspired.
2. They have their own elevated deity or prophet who they claim is divinely inspired, or "like" Christ.
3. There is often inappropriate behavior of the leader towards the congregation (i.e. using inappropriate language - 'faggot' - or engaging in sexual contact, etc., with parishioners).
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CaptainCourtesy said:
That's actually a pretty good definition.
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The series I was listening to didn't mention anything about inappropriate language, but almost everybody did talk about sexual abuse. The pastor in question did talk about how cults isolate it's members and harass them if they try to leave. He did say that members of his congregation were free to leave, so he kind of argued that he was not a cult leader.
 
blackjack50 said:
Thoughts? You said Baptist. That pretty much explains it.

But seriously. You know why other Christians whisper in heaven right? God doesn’t want the baptists to find out other people are there.

But seriously seriously. If you are in a church that is preaching hate of any particular group...they didn’t get the message. They don’t understand Jesus or the point.
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I have to say, I have heard anything bad about Baptists. I have heard other Christian groups criticized though. Catholics, Mormons, and Jehovah Witnesses being the most common.
 
it's just me said:
So, you are unhappy about him condemning people he doesn't like and you ecpect me to condemn him?
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I am not asking you to condemn him. You said it should be about the truth and word of Jesus. If all it comes down to is that, is he speaking the truth and word of Jesus? He not only condemned homosexuals, but other Christians? I found his tone really off putting, and I question if he is more egotistical driven than faith driven. That's what I thought.
 
SheWolf said:
I am not asking you to condemn him. You said it should be about the truth and word of Jesus. If all it comes down to is that, is he speaking the truth and word of Jesus? He not only condemned homosexuals, but other Christians? I found his tone really off putting, and I question if he is more egotistical driven than faith driven. That's what I thought.
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I don't know if you know what I do - I'm a priest, and when I am on Church business, I wear a collar. Sometimes I go into stores, restaurants, and secular functions at times like, well, Christmas. About as often as not there will be some asshole who will have to crack wise, everything from a Baptist asking me whether I am lost to some lady who wants to start an argument to an atheist telling me not to push religion on him. And I hadn't even said a word, I was just standing in line.

People lie and they act like jerks, I don't care if they call themselves "Christian". I don't care if they call themselves educated. It doesn't surprise me anymore, because that's what people do. That's in the Bible, by the way. BUT - when I say that people object to it because nobody thinks they are guilty of anything.

The one thing I can count on people to be is people, no matter who they say they are.
 
SheWolf said:
I have to say, I have [not] heard anything bad about Baptists. I have heard other Christian groups criticized though. Catholics, Mormons, and Jehovah Witnesses being the most common.
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in a river runs through it, the methodist minister explains that a baptist is just a methodist who is unable to read

in my wife's baptist church, the congregation/pastor make a point to distinguish that they are NOT members of the southern baptist church
and for good reason
 
shrubnose said:
He was 1/2 Jewish-his father was God.How did a 1/2Jewish guy in Palestine end up with a Mexican name like Jesus two thousand years ago?Explain that if you can.

:lol:
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Jesus isn't the Mexican name. Further I believe his name was Elijah. And how can you be half Jewish? Only liked for candles on the menorah and blow the ninth one out every other day for the eight days? Only confess to half of your sins on Yom Kippur? Only celebrate on one day of Rosh Hashanah?

Half-jewish... that's absurd how about half Christian or half a Muslim.

If you're Christian he wasn't half God he is 100% God.
 
SheWolf said:
I have to say, I have heard anything bad about Baptists. I have heard other Christian groups criticized though. Catholics, Mormons, and Jehovah Witnesses being the most common.
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Probably because you aren’t a Christian. Specifically a Protestant non baptist Christian. It is quite common to give them a ribbing as to their methods on faith. They can be very fire and brimstone and anti gay. They are very centered around their pastor. They tend to also be literal when reading the book. They don’t believe the Bible contradicts itself (it does). Mormons and Jehovah’s Witnesses I don’t think you’re actually Christian. They are not just based on the Bible.
 
I've never heard of a christian church that did not consider Mormonism a cult. Perhaps there are some, but I've never heard of them. But, to other religions, Mormons, Baptists and Catholics are all considered Christians (in one lump).
 
blackjack50 said:
Probably because you aren’t a Christian. Specifically a Protestant non baptist Christian. It is quite common to give them a ribbing as to their methods on faith. They can be very fire and brimstone and anti gay. They are very centered around their pastor. They tend to also be literal when reading the book. They don’t believe the Bible contradicts itself (it does). Mormons and Jehovah’s Witnesses I don’t think you’re actually Christian. They are not just based on the Bible.
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Interesting. So Baptists tend to be really fundamental?
 
shrubnose said:
He was 1/2 Jewish-his father was God.How did a 1/2Jewish guy in Palestine end up with a Mexican name like Jesus two thousand years ago?Explain that if you can.

:lol:
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They believe he was God in human form. I think it would go 0 percent human, 100 percent God.
 
CLAX1911 said:
Jesus isn't the Mexican name. Further I believe his name was Elijah. And how can you be half Jewish? Only liked for candles on the menorah and blow the ninth one out every other day for the eight days? Only confess to half of your sins on Yom Kippur? Only celebrate on one day of Rosh Hashanah?

Half-jewish... that's absurd how about half Christian or half a Muslim.

If you're Christian he wasn't half God he is 100% God.
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He is talking about the hebrew ethnicity.
 
SheWolf said:
Interesting. So Baptists tend to be really fundamental?
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Yes. VERY. I’m quite surprised to the point that I am a little paranoid you aren’t messing with me like you alredy knew this lol. It is very common knowledge in the Christian community. I’m a PC USA Christian. We actually allow gay membership and marriage. Was a big deal in our church. We are not fundamental though. We have a “book of order” which is basically just guidelines on how the church is to be run (closer to catholic than baptist). We are not literalists.

We also believe in predestination...where baptists do not. We do not believe action gets you into heaven (baptists do). We believe that it is only by the grace of God. So not our call. Hence baptists baptism and being saved where we baptize an infant.

I worked at a Christian summer camp and we had to know theology of the different denominations of questioned were asked. We wanted to make sure that the children understood the differences and how we believe (and so if a baptist/atheist/Catholic/Muslim) has questions we could provide an answer. :)
 
Rosie1 said:
I've never heard of a christian church that did not consider Mormonism a cult. Perhaps there are some, but I've never heard of them. But, to other religions, Mormons, Baptists and Catholics are all considered Christians (in one lump).
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Lack of concern of the differences. Would be like calling Christians...Jewish. At least that is how I view it.
 
SheWolf said:
Interesting. So Baptists tend to be really fundamental?
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I have known some Baptists that weren't. The Southern Baptists tend to be much more fundamental that other baptists.

We won't even get into the pentcostals.
 
SheWolf said:
He is talking about the hebrew ethnicity.
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then he moved the goal posts. Because the argument was that the only good Christian was nailed to the cross. He wasn't Christian he was Jewish. Christian isn't an ethnicity so therefore in context I was referring to the Jewish religion.
 
RAMOSS said:
I have known some Baptists that weren't. The Southern Baptists tend to be much more fundamental that other baptists.

We won't even get into the pentcostals.
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Baptists are hard to pin down. I've come across Baptist churches that preach Hellfire and brimstone and then I've come across some that are completely different.

It seems Pentecostals tend to be the same way.

The only thing I know about Baptists is that they are calvinist. No idea for Pentecostals are.
 
blackjack50 said:
Probably because you aren’t a Christian. Specifically a Protestant non baptist Christian. It is quite common to give them a ribbing as to their methods on faith. They can be very fire and brimstone and anti gay. They are very centered around their pastor. They tend to also be literal when reading the book. They don’t believe the Bible contradicts itself (it does). Mormons and Jehovah’s Witnesses I don’t think you’re actually Christian. They are not just based on the Bible.
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I can't speak for Mormons but I can speak for JW's...our beliefs ARE based on the Bible and nothing else...not man-made traditions or doctrines...nothing but the Bible...period...
 
Elvira said:
I can't speak for Mormons but I can speak for JW's...our beliefs ARE based on the Bible and nothing else...not man-made traditions or doctrines...nothing but the Bible...period...
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Watchtower society? Using a different bible than other Christians? Jesus isn’t God...just a God...right? My understanding is that you are as close to Christianity as Islam or Judaism. That isn’t an insult btw. I have no animosity. Just that you use a much different interpretation than most Christians. Farther removed than a Baptist is from a Catholic.
 
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