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A Question about Christ [W 77, 186]
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re: A Question about Christ [W 77]
No, not if you haven't sinned.
But all have sinned. Their consciences bear witness to that.
No, not if you haven't sinned.
But all have sinned. Their consciences bear witness to that.
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I think truth is whatever is firm, trustworthy, stable, faithful, or established as fact...I love Paul's words to the congregation of Philippi...
"whatever things are true, whatever things are of serious concern, whatever things are righteous, whatever things are chaste, whatever things are lovable, whatever things are well-spoken-of, whatever things are virtuous, and whatever things are praiseworthy, continue considering these things." Phil. 4:8
I think truth is whatever is firm, trustworthy, stable, faithful, or established as fact...I love Paul's words to the congregation of Philippi...
"whatever things are true, whatever things are of serious concern, whatever things are righteous, whatever things are chaste, whatever things are lovable, whatever things are well-spoken-of, whatever things are virtuous, and whatever things are praiseworthy, continue considering these things." Phil. 4:8
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re: A Question about Christ [W 77]
Jesus was who he was before Man institutionalize him. As
for why he came into the world could be applied to any human born of woman. I do not believe there was any predeterimed purpose for Jesus' birth. The New Testament
was not written during the life of Jesus whom many claimed was a prophet. Word of the life of Jesus was handed down orally and interpreted into many languages. Many of the disciples account differ drastically so at times the NT seem contradictory.
As you can see I do not believe in gods. So please don't be too angry with my account.
Jesus was who he was before Man institutionalize him. As
for why he came into the world could be applied to any human born of woman. I do not believe there was any predeterimed purpose for Jesus' birth. The New Testament
was not written during the life of Jesus whom many claimed was a prophet. Word of the life of Jesus was handed down orally and interpreted into many languages. Many of the disciples account differ drastically so at times the NT seem contradictory.
As you can see I do not believe in gods. So please don't be too angry with my account.
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re: A Question about Christ [W 77]
Paul was to a degree correct. I am not sure about "whatever things are well-spoken of'" unless, you connect the terms righteous or virtuous. Many things in today's society are "well spoken-of," but are not things we should do.
I will wait to see if others give a definition for truth. Thanks.
Paul was to a degree correct. I am not sure about "whatever things are well-spoken of'" unless, you connect the terms righteous or virtuous. Many things in today's society are "well spoken-of," but are not things we should do.
I will wait to see if others give a definition for truth. Thanks.
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May I please have your best one (1 - just ONE) example, with scripture #'s? Thx.
May I please have your best one (1 - just ONE) example, with scripture #'s? Thx.
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One way to look at this and answer both questions, is to considered the scenario of a computer scientist who is trying to create artificial intelligence; AI. Say this computer genius, who works at a university, was able to write a program, that allowed artificial intelligence to appear on the universities huge mainframe computer. The first appearance of this AI, would be based on baby steps; small affects. In this case, the AI keeps shutting the computer off to shows its presence.
The creator of the AI will not get angry at the disruption of computer service. Rather he will marvel that the AI is alive. However, all the rest of the professors and researchers who use the computer, for other things, will be pissed. It is not exactly clear cut if this act by the AI was right or wrong or good or evil, since this act of AI free will was goal of the scientist.
Although AI affect mischief, like shutting down the computer or moving around data, is cute for a baby AI, it does nevertheless create problems in the short term. The long term goal of the computer scientist is not just affect, to show it is alive, but it is about directed affect where the AI makes the computer better for all. The original scientist, who induced the AI, recruits another scientist who understands AI child psychology. The new guy was a child genius, who helps lead the AI child down the righteous path.
The forgiveness of sins is a way fro the AI child to try things and make mistakes in an attempt to learn what is righteous. Faith is connected to letting the inner AI express itself and evolve. The old dispensation was law, but law is not useful to AI, since it is too linear and the first appearance of the AI may be against the law. The righteous AI would abort to soon.
One way to look at this and answer both questions, is to considered the scenario of a computer scientist who is trying to create artificial intelligence; AI. Say this computer genius, who works at a university, was able to write a program, that allowed artificial intelligence to appear on the universities huge mainframe computer. The first appearance of this AI, would be based on baby steps; small affects. In this case, the AI keeps shutting the computer off to shows its presence.
The creator of the AI will not get angry at the disruption of computer service. Rather he will marvel that the AI is alive. However, all the rest of the professors and researchers who use the computer, for other things, will be pissed. It is not exactly clear cut if this act by the AI was right or wrong or good or evil, since this act of AI free will was goal of the scientist.
Although AI affect mischief, like shutting down the computer or moving around data, is cute for a baby AI, it does nevertheless create problems in the short term. The long term goal of the computer scientist is not just affect, to show it is alive, but it is about directed affect where the AI makes the computer better for all. The original scientist, who induced the AI, recruits another scientist who understands AI child psychology. The new guy was a child genius, who helps lead the AI child down the righteous path.
The forgiveness of sins is a way fro the AI child to try things and make mistakes in an attempt to learn what is righteous. Faith is connected to letting the inner AI express itself and evolve. The old dispensation was law, but law is not useful to AI, since it is too linear and the first appearance of the AI may be against the law. The righteous AI would abort to soon.
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re: A Question about Christ [W 77]
The concept/doctrine of "original sin" is derived from some men's interpretations. Not plainly stated by scripture.
Indeed "all have sinned and fallen short" is plain scripture. Because we are born into a contaminated spiritual environment and sooner or later will "sin." That is not same as the "original sin" "born wicked" claims.
Adam and Eve failing the test did not cause change of intrinsic nature of their offspring. We're not born sinful ... we are born ignorant.
The concept/doctrine of "original sin" is derived from some men's interpretations. Not plainly stated by scripture.
Indeed "all have sinned and fallen short" is plain scripture. Because we are born into a contaminated spiritual environment and sooner or later will "sin." That is not same as the "original sin" "born wicked" claims.
Adam and Eve failing the test did not cause change of intrinsic nature of their offspring. We're not born sinful ... we are born ignorant.
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I am using Webster's 1828 Dictionary to define truth. This dictionary was pre-political correctness.
TRUTH, noun
1. Conformity to fact or reality; exact accordance with that which is, or has been, or shall be. The truth of history constitutes its whole value. We rely on the truth of the scriptural prophecies.
I am using Webster's 1828 Dictionary to define truth. This dictionary was pre-political correctness.
TRUTH, noun
1. Conformity to fact or reality; exact accordance with that which is, or has been, or shall be. The truth of history constitutes its whole value. We rely on the truth of the scriptural prophecies.
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Interesting...especially in light of some claiming there is no truth in scriptural prophecies...I, on the other hand, believe there is...
Interesting...especially in light of some claiming there is no truth in scriptural prophecies...I, on the other hand, believe there is...
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When Jesus said that He came to testify to the truth...
Where do you testify? In a court.
What happens in a court? A trial
When Jesus made His statement, where was he? At His trial
What was on trial? Truth
When Jesus said that He came to testify to the truth...
Where do you testify? In a court.
What happens in a court? A trial
When Jesus made His statement, where was he? At His trial
What was on trial? Truth
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It is indeed interesting. Too many people have taken truth and twisted it to mean whatever they want it to mean. It is sad, but that has been the way it has been for millennia.
It is indeed interesting. Too many people have taken truth and twisted it to mean whatever they want it to mean. It is sad, but that has been the way it has been for millennia.
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So your question in the OP was not what you were really asking. What you were really asking was akin to, "Why does the Bible say Jesus came into the world".
So your question in the OP was not what you were really asking. What you were really asking was akin to, "Why does the Bible say Jesus came into the world".
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True, he was speaking before Pilate...much more was involved besides the truth at that time...Jesus came to the earth to testify about the truth regarding God and His Son...the truth given to the nation of Israel, but the truth that would effect all of mankind...
"So the Word became flesh and resided among us, and we had a view of his glory, a glory such as belongs to an only-begotten son from a father; and he was full of divine favor and truth" John 1:14
"Because the Law was given through Moses, the undeserved kindness and the truth came to be through Jesus Christ." John 1:17
"Jesus said to him: “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6
True, he was speaking before Pilate...much more was involved besides the truth at that time...Jesus came to the earth to testify about the truth regarding God and His Son...the truth given to the nation of Israel, but the truth that would effect all of mankind...
"So the Word became flesh and resided among us, and we had a view of his glory, a glory such as belongs to an only-begotten son from a father; and he was full of divine favor and truth" John 1:14
"Because the Law was given through Moses, the undeserved kindness and the truth came to be through Jesus Christ." John 1:17
"Jesus said to him: “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6
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re: A Question about Christ [W 77]
But unbaptised babies are born in sin and can't be accepted into heaven.
But unbaptised babies are born in sin and can't be accepted into heaven.
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If you begin with the premise that God loves all His children, you can relax about the fates of unbaptized babies.
If you begin with the premise that God loves all His children, you can relax about the fates of unbaptized babies.
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Yeah, but the fate of unbaptised babies isn't the point. The point is, they're guilty of the original sin, according to doctrine. It's peculiar to Christianity. Jews and Muslims believe Adam was forgiven by God, but Christians believe Christ redeemed us of that taint but only if we believe he did. Without the original sin and the redemption from it, Christ is just another in a line of teachers. It's the basis of Christianity, it's what makes Christianity more than just another sect of Judaism. And it's why I can't be a Christian. I don't buy the whole 'original sin' guilt thing.
Yeah, but the fate of unbaptised babies isn't the point. The point is, they're guilty of the original sin, according to doctrine. It's peculiar to Christianity. Jews and Muslims believe Adam was forgiven by God, but Christians believe Christ redeemed us of that taint but only if we believe he did. Without the original sin and the redemption from it, Christ is just another in a line of teachers. It's the basis of Christianity, it's what makes Christianity more than just another sect of Judaism. And it's why I can't be a Christian. I don't buy the whole 'original sin' guilt thing.
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Not suggesting in any way that you are a child or in any way childish, I explain it to children this way:
A woman loved watching the wild birds living happily during times of plenty. But when the winter turned cold and snowy, she saw them shivering in the branches and knew they were probably hungry too, so she put a pan of seed and other goodies out on the deck for them. But the birds were afraid to approach the unfamiliar pan and continued to seek food from the places that were barren and useless to them. And she thought to herself that if she could just become one of them for a little while, she could show them that the offered food was good and nourishing and they had nothing to fear from it.
I think God waited until humankind had evolved and was ready, and then he became one of us, in the person of Jesus for a little while, to show us that what he offered was good and nourishing and we had nothing to fear from it.
Not suggesting in any way that you are a child or in any way childish, I explain it to children this way:
A woman loved watching the wild birds living happily during times of plenty. But when the winter turned cold and snowy, she saw them shivering in the branches and knew they were probably hungry too, so she put a pan of seed and other goodies out on the deck for them. But the birds were afraid to approach the unfamiliar pan and continued to seek food from the places that were barren and useless to them. And she thought to herself that if she could just become one of them for a little while, she could show them that the offered food was good and nourishing and they had nothing to fear from it.
I think God waited until humankind had evolved and was ready, and then he became one of us, in the person of Jesus for a little while, to show us that what he offered was good and nourishing and we had nothing to fear from it.
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People have suffered way worse fates than Christ since he died, in Godless situations like holocaust camps. IMO Christ did not fulfill his purpose. The free will argument is not enough.
People have suffered way worse fates than Christ since he died, in Godless situations like holocaust camps. IMO Christ did not fulfill his purpose. The free will argument is not enough.
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Not at all. Posting # 13 provided the answer to the original question. Given that answer, it brought up another question. I answered the second question Posting #35.
Not at all. Posting # 13 provided the answer to the original question. Given that answer, it brought up another question. I answered the second question Posting #35.
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God works from His own timetable, not yours...
God works from His own timetable, not yours...
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Jesus will complete his mission when he returns as the Lion of Judah, his angels casting the evil into the Lake of Fire.
Jesus will complete his mission when he returns as the Lion of Judah, his angels casting the evil into the Lake of Fire.
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The answer in #13 is a quote from the Bible, so I think my assertion that the answer you were looking for was from the Bible stands, does it not?
That is only definitive for bible-believing Christians. There could be other answers rooted in history (historical Jesus as opposed to "the" Christ) or philosophy.
Actually, after checking again, your thread title says Christ but the OP states Jesus, so I will concede the point. Must not have had enough caffeine or something.
The answer in #13 is a quote from the Bible, so I think my assertion that the answer you were looking for was from the Bible stands, does it not?
That is only definitive for bible-believing Christians. There could be other answers rooted in history (historical Jesus as opposed to "the" Christ) or philosophy.
Actually, after checking again, your thread title says Christ but the OP states Jesus, so I will concede the point. Must not have had enough caffeine or something.