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I say Islam is different because it is a totalitarian supremacist ideology under the cloak of religion. The topic here is what Islam says and some Muslims do to illustrate the doctrine and the emulation of their prophet. The chance of coexistence is nil despite, or because of the current situation.

The current situation of terror and demands from refugees are a strain and are meant to be. This is a plan that has been worked since its inception.

Anything about the violence and hate is to be discussed here. Jihad in all its forms. Vile verses about non-Muslims. The fact the doctrine makes it possible for Muslims to lie and that any treaty or vow can be dissolved to benefit Islam. The religion creates a one way street and we should be tired of driving in that direction.

So let's get started. Why are commands to kill in the Koran open ended? Do we realize that means eternal war? It is what Islam obligates and we see how terror is used to prove these obligations are taken very seriously. We need to ask ourselves why we can talk about sky gods and how ridiculous religion is to everyone but those of the Islamic faith?

Islamophobia is a tool to stop conversation. And if someone is an Islamophobe explaining why the violence sanctioned and the deceit sanctioned is something to dismiss because it offends someone? I need to know why these words and the fact about one quarter of the population in the world are taught to hate the other three quarters is tolerated.
 
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coldjoint said:
I say Islam is different because it is a totalitarian supremacist ideology under the cloak of religion. The topic here is what Islam says and some Muslims do to illustrate the doctrine and the emulation of their prophet. The chance of coexistence is nil despite, or because of the current situation.

The current situation of terror and demands from refugees are a strain and are meant to be. This is a plan that has been worked since its inception.

Anything about the violence and hate is to be discussed here. Jihad in all its forms. Vile verses about non-Muslims. The fact the doctrine makes it possible for Muslims to lie and that any treaty or vow can be dissolved to benefit Islam. The religion creates a one way street and we should be tired of driving in that direction.

So let's get started. Why are commands to kill in the Koran open ended? Do we realize that means eternal war? It is what Islam obligates and we see how terror is used to prove these obligations are taken very seriously. We need to ask ourselves why we can talk about sky gods and how ridiculous religion is to everyone but those of the Islamic faith?

Islamophobia is a tool to stop conversation. And if someone is an Islamophobe explaining why the violence sanctioned and the deceit sanctioned is something to dismiss because it offends someone? I need to know why these words and the fact about one quarter of the population in the world are taught to hate the other three quarters is tolerated.
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Clearly false; American Muslims have coexisted with other Americans of different religions for many years. You can't seem to grasp that Muslims don't think the way you claim they do.

Considering that the vast majority of Muslims have done nothing to further an "eternal war" of any sort, once again, you have failed.

You support terrorism against innocent Muslims. That is not tolerated by anyone.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Clearly false; American Muslims have coexisted with other Americans of different religions for many years. You can't seem to grasp that Muslims don't think the way you claim they do.

Considering that the vast majority of Muslims have done nothing to further an "eternal war" of any sort, once again, you have failed.

You support terrorism against innocent Muslims. That is not tolerated by anyone.
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I have not failed because I am not talking about all Muslims I am talking about what their religion says. Please try and separate the two because they are different things.

That should answer your post so there is no need to conflate the two again.

Take a look here is what Islam says. The object here is to explain these verses and what they mean, although it is quite obvious.
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Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun(the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)" (Translation is from the Noble Quran) The verse prior to this (190) refers to "fighting for the cause of Allah those who fight you" leading some to claim that the entire passage refers to a defensive war in which Muslims are defending their homes and families. The historical context of this passage is not defensive warfare, however, since Muhammad and his Muslims had just relocated to Medina and were not under attack by their Meccan adversaries. In fact, the verses urge offensive warfare, in that Muslims are to drive Meccans out of their own city (which they later did). Verse 190 thus means to fight those who offer resistance to Allah's rule (ie. Muslim conquest). The use of the word "persecution" by some Muslim translators is disingenuous - the actual Arabic words for persecution (idtihad) - and oppression are not used instead of fitna. Fitna can mean disbelief, or the disorder that results from unbelief or temptation. A strict translation is 'sedition,' meaning rebellion against authority (the authority being Allah). This is certainly what is meant in this context since the violence is explicitly commissioned "until religion is for Allah" - ie. unbelievers desist in their unbelief. [Editor's note: these notes have been modified slightly after a critic misinterpreted our language. Verse 193 plainly says that 'fighting' is sanctioned even if the fitna 'ceases'. This is about religious order, not real persecution.]
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https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx
 
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I have not failed because I am not talking about all Muslims I am talking about what their religion says. Please try and separate the two because they are different things.

That should answer your post so there is no need to conflate the two again.
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You claim that Islam says something. By logical extension, believers in a religion are supposed to do what their religion says. Therefore, you are claiming that Islam tells Muslims to commit atrocities, and those who don't "aren't real Muslims".
 
A quick lesson in the history of Islam.



The idea is control and the writing has been on the wall for many years.

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Tigerace117 said:
You claim that Islam says something. By logical extension, believers in a religion are supposed to do what their religion says. Therefore, you are claiming that Islam tells Muslims to commit atrocities, and those who don't "aren't real Muslims".
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Maybe you should ask them. I don't need to. You can see what Islam says and what some Muslims do. And you are right the religion of Islam does tell them to do these things.

As far as not real Muslims the literature tells us what real Muslims are and do, not me.
 
coldjoint said:
I have not failed because I am not talking about all Muslims I am talking about what their religion says. Please try and separate the two because they are different things.

That should answer your post so there is no need to conflate the two again.

Take a look here is what Islam says. The object here is to explain these verses and what they mean, although it is quite obvious.

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx
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Ever read the old testament. the most violent book on earth
 
coldjoint said:
Irrelevant. Did you see "Islam" in the title of the thread.
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I did. We should judge all religions by their violent books. A broader point
 
Tigerace117 said:
Clearly false; American Muslims have coexisted with other Americans of different religions for many years. You can't seem to grasp that Muslims don't think the way you claim they do.

Considering that the vast majority of Muslims have done nothing to further an "eternal war" of any sort, once again, you have failed.

You support terrorism against innocent Muslims. That is not tolerated by anyone.
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I would hope no one supports terrorism.

Just because one declares themselves a muslim doesnt mean they are great at it. Some are more concerned with their kids and their jobs which all non muslims appreciate.

Pros vs Joes.

I might declare myself a christian but fail to go to church every sunday.

One might declare themselves a muslim and fail to jihad. I am just fine with that.
 
akyron said:
I would hope no one supports terrorism.

Just because one declares themselves a muslim doesnt mean they are great at it. Some are more concerned with their kids and their jobs which all non muslims appreciate.

Pros vs Joes.

I might declare myself a christian but fail to go to church every sunday.

One might declare themselves a muslim and fail to jihad. I am just fine with that.
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Actually 99.9 percent of muslims are not in a jihad against the US
 
coldjoint said:
I say Islam is different because it is a totalitarian supremacist ideology under the cloak of religion.
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Frankly, coldjoint, I say that anything one deeply believes in is that person's religion.

I don't subscribe to the equality of so-called "religions" because I am not that luke warm and I'm happy with Jesus Christ recognizing me before his father.

What I prefer to conceptualize the problem as is an issue of orthodoxy. And whatever is orthodox is catholic because whatever is true is catholic and orthodoxy does not contradict truth.

Orthodoxy is right thinking, right worship. In the sense Orthodox Christians use it.



The Orthodox Churches would argue the Catholic Church is not orthodox. And that may well be true but in many respects the pre-Vatican II Catholic Church was more orthodox than Protestants or neo-Christians like the Mormons and JWs or Muslims. Even the post-Vatican II Catholic Church is more orthodox in some ways than Muslims, Protestants and so on. And I believe the Council of Trent centuries ago was orthodox to the extent it attacked certain doctrines it viewed as unorthodox.

What I'm saying is the orthodox thing to do would be to attack the unorthodox doctrines of Islam [or sects of Islam] or as you perceive them as unorthodox.

I mean... I'm Christian. So, if a Muslim feeds the hungry, how am I to object to that?
 
vegas giants said:
Ever read the old testament. the most violent book on earth
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I have read the old, new testament, and the koran many times.

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Only one is linked to many mass killings in recent memory.
 
akyron said:
I would hope no one supports terrorism.

Just because one declares themselves a muslim doesnt mean they are great at it. Some are more concerned with their kids and their jobs which all non muslims appreciate.

Pros vs Joes.

I might declare myself a christian but fail to go to church every sunday.

One might declare themselves a muslim and fail to jihad. I am just fine with that.
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I do not support terror. My explanation does not satisfy him. I do not support terror. Ignore him.
 
vegas giants said:
Ever read the old testament. the most violent book on earth
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Christians are people of the New Testament. Jews are people of the Old Testament. Are you insinuating something about Jews or the Nation-State of Israel?

And how would you know what the most violent book on earth is, have you read all the books on earth? Some how I doubt that.
 
FastPace said:
Christians are people of the New Testament. Jews are people of the Old Testament. Are you insinuating something about Jews or the Nation-State of Israel?

And how would you know what the most violent book on earth is, have you read all the books on earth? Some how I doubt that.
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If there is one more violent I don't want to read it. And you don't speak for christians
 
coldjoint said:
Maybe you should ask them. I don't need to. You can see what Islam says and what some Muslims do. And you are right the religion of Islam does tell them to do these things.

As far as not real Muslims the literature tells us what real Muslims are and do, not me.
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Yep, you prioritize your fantasies over what reality tells us. False, because 99.9% of Muslims do not do anything you claim "Islam" obligates them to.
 
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