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How do Protestants React to Fatima?

phattonez

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Given that this year is the 100 year anniversary of the Marian apparition at Fatima, I wanted to know what Protestants think of it, if anything. Our Lady appeared to three children in Fatima, Portugal, telling the world of the need for penance, along with many other things. So, how do Protestants react to this miracle?
 
phattonez said:
Given that this year is the 100 year anniversary of the Marian apparition at Fatima, I wanted to know what Protestants think of it, if anything. Our Lady appeared to three children in Fatima, Portugal, telling the world of the need for penance, along with many other things. So, how do Protestants react to this miracle?
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Probably like I do...with a shrug. :shrug:

Then again, there are several different sects of Protestant.

I suppose some might condemn it, others accept it, and the rest do like I stated at the start of this reply.

You are entitled to believe as you do, and if you believe in the "miracle" of Fatima then more power to you.
 
Like most non-Catholics, Protestants reject this type of superstition and nonsense.
 
Captain Adverse said:
Probably like I do...with a shrug. :shrug:

Then again, there are several different sects of Protestant.

I suppose some might condemn it, others accept it, and the rest do like I stated at the start of this reply.

You are entitled to believe as you do, and if you believe in the "miracle" of Fatima then more power to you.
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RickJames3000 said:
Like most non-Catholics, Protestants reject this type of superstition and nonsense.
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So both of you reject the Miracle of the Sun?
 
phattonez said:
So both of you reject the Miracle of the Sun?
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I neither accept nor reject it.

It happened 100 years ago.

I certainly didn't experience it, and I don't automatically accept reports of anything "supernatural" as fact.

But anything is possible, and I don't mind if other people choose to believe.
 
phattonez said:
So both of you reject the Miracle of the Sun?
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All the witnesses don't seem to agree on what happened so that drums up doubt right away.

What is the sun dance to round and zigzagged in the sky or spun around omitting multi colors we don't know. The likely explanation is it didn't.

That isn't rejection of a miracle that's just called being rational.

People report seeing Bigfoot leprechauns & unicorns I'm skeptical of those reports too
 
CLAX1911 said:
All the witnesses don't seem to agree on what happened so that drums up doubt right away.

What is the sun dance to round and zigzagged in the sky or spun around omitting multi colors we don't know. The likely explanation is it didn't.

That isn't rejection of a miracle that's just called being rational.

People report seeing Bigfoot leprechauns & unicorns I'm skeptical of those reports too
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If anybody stars at the sun without protection for too long, that happens to them. Those symptoms are signs of retinal damage from staring at the sun too much.
 
RickJames3000 said:
Like most non-Catholics, Protestants reject this type of superstition and nonsense.
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:lol: I literally--not figuratively--had to laugh out loud at this. More like a medium volume chuckle than a thundering laugh. Still, a laugh nonetheless. And in part I had to laugh for my atheist friends as surely they must be chuckling, "You believe in the Resurrection of a dead man that descended into hell for three days, right?"

I mean... the whole Christian story sounds crazy and is as far from scientific rationality as one can get. :screwy

So, why stop at the resurrection and assumption after beginning with Adam and Eve (did they have a daughter? Where did everyone come from after two boys?) and Noah's great flood? I mean if any of that is plausible surely the Holy Mother of Jesus appearing to 3 small kids can't be the greatest leap out of the logic boat ever heard in the Juedo-Christian world.

My sympathies run Orthodox. Eastern Christianity. But the Mother of God is the Mother of God be she venerated in the Christian West or the Christian East. I'm not like 100% sure Fatima is true. But I reserve the right to doubt it is untrue. Just like I reserve the right to doubt Garabandal is untrue.
 
I feel pretty good about it, all in all. If such things inspire us to do better things, what's the beef?
 
Three children with vivid imaginations?
 
RAMOSS said:
If anybody stars at the sun without protection for too long, that happens to them. Those symptoms are signs of retinal damage from staring at the sun too much.
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Where you see the sun dancing in the sky? I don't think so. It would be a convenient explanation, but I don't think that's what happens.

UCSB Science Line
 
FastPace said:
:lol: I literally--not figuratively--had to laugh out loud at this. More like a medium volume chuckle than a thundering laugh. Still, a laugh nonetheless. And in part I had to laugh for my atheist friends as surely they must be chuckling, "You believe in the Resurrection of a dead man that descended into hell for three days, right?"

I mean... the whole Christian story sounds crazy and is as far from scientific rationality as one can get. :screwy

So, why stop at the resurrection and assumption after beginning with Adam and Eve (did they have a daughter? Where did everyone come from after two boys?) and Noah's great flood? I mean if any of that is plausible surely the Holy Mother of Jesus appearing to 3 small kids can't be the greatest leap out of the logic boat ever heard in the Juedo-Christian world.

My sympathies run Orthodox. Eastern Christianity. But the Mother of God is the Mother of God be she venerated in the Christian West or the Christian East. I'm not like 100% sure Fatima is true. But I reserve the right to doubt it is untrue. Just like I reserve the right to doubt Garabandal is untrue.
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This is immediately what I thought upon reading Captain Adverse's post.
 
fmw said:
Three children with vivid imaginations?
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The public miracle part was the Miracle of the Sun. Once you have that, you start to take the claims of the children more seriously.
 
phattonez said:
Where you see the sun dancing in the sky? I don't think so. It would be a convenient explanation, but I don't think that's what happens.

UCSB Science Line
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Well.. there are condictory testimony, and much of the claims come through a single person. Here is a link that does more analysis.

https://skeptoid.com/episodes/4110

From that link

Most of what's popularly reported about the sun incident, such as the colors and the spinning, comes from Father John de Marchi, a Catholic priest who spent years interviewing eyewitnesses to build evidence supporting the miraculous event. But more objective assessments of the eyewitness accounts have found very little evidence of a single shared experience. Author Kevin McClure, who also compiled eyewitness accounts, reported that he had "never seen such a collection of contradictory accounts in any of the research I have done in the past 10 years." If you were there, as a devout Catholic (otherwise you wouldn't be there), you fully believed in a miracle happening that day (otherwise you wouldn't be there), whether you personally saw anything or not you'd support the majority opinion, and probably go to your grave insisting that a miracle happened there. There's no surprise that Father de Marchi was able to form a consensus description of a spinning color wheel of a sun, and no need for any actual event to justify his consensus.
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phattonez said:
The public miracle part was the Miracle of the Sun. Once you have that, you start to take the claims of the children more seriously.
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Perhaps you can.
 
phattonez said:
The public miracle part was the Miracle of the Sun. Once you have that, you start to take the claims of the children more seriously.
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There was no miracle it may have just been a flight of fancy or a delusion.

Nobody believes the sun magically spun in shot out magical fancy colors.

Anybody who believes this nonsense necessarily is untrustworthy.

Being a follower of a religion is one thing but to be in the brainwashed into thinking the laws of physics just magically suspend in one little place is profound the Absurd it baffles me to think that you and I are both human beings and think so incredibly differently from each other.

I had no idea what Fatima. And the fact that the vatican touts this as an actual occurrence further degrades their credibility
 
phattonez said:
Nonsense, as there were people there who were skeptics and also saw the event.
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You can make all the claims you want.. but.. somehow, you can't really support them except with links by and for the faithful.
 
phattonez said:
This is a ridiculous standard that you wouldn't require for any other field, but even with such a demand there is still evidence. Look at the newspapers from Portugal.

http://www.overcomeproblems.com/fatima.htm

Here are the actual newspaper images:

https://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=298066
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And?? You got more links from the faithful that do not address the points the skeptics make. As for the photos, I see a bunch of people milling about, with no support that for any miracle what so ever.
 
RAMOSS said:
And?? You got more links from the faithful that do not address the points the skeptics make. As for the photos, I see a bunch of people milling about, with no support that for any miracle what so ever.
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These are translated quotes from Lisbon newspapers. The second link is showing you the image that the quotes are pulled from.
 
phattonez said:
These are translated quotes from Lisbon newspapers. The second link is showing you the image that the quotes are pulled from.
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And.. how does that give any support to anything, or counter any point that was made what so ever??
 
RAMOSS said:
And.. how does that give any support to anything, or counter any point that was made what so ever??
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You said the only evidence was from religious sources. Those newspapers were actually fairly secular.
 
phattonez said:
You said the only evidence was from religious sources. Those newspapers were actually fairly secular.
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Yet, none of those support the miracle at all.
 
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