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How do Protestants React to Fatima?

This is called moving the goalposts.

Actually, if you read the explanation - you'd see what I mean. The focus isn't on God at all. Jesus was mentioned only as an after thought - because He has to be mentioned!
Without Jesus, there's nothing to justify the glorification, and all these bowing down to Mary!




Yes of course, but what does that have to do with sola scriptura?

If Jesus is everything to our salvation - then what do you mean by saying this?

First of all, who says that the Bible contains everything relevant to our salvation and that we can use nothing else?


So you say that Jesus may not be the ONLY Way? Is that what you're saying?
If Catholic.com agrees with you.....they must therefore think Jesus was only kidding when He said, He's the ONLY WAY to salvation.

So....getting nailed and dying was all in vain. Jesus didn't have to go through all that drama!
After all, Mary can do the work, too!


You're giving contradictory answers.
On one hand you're saying Jesus may not be the only way to salvation, that there could be something (or someone) else aside from Him.........yet on the other, you're saying Jesus is everything to our salvation.
Which is it? You can't have it both ways!




See what I mean? See what happens when we no longer regard the Bible as the ONLY AUTHORITATIVE source to keep us from straying?

It's easy enough to get confused by false teachings (which can only be inspired by Satan to lure us from the path).......what more when we don't seriously use our guide (Bible), which was given to us, for this very purpose?
 
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Not everyone believes in sola scriptura. In the beginning was the Word. The writing came later.
 
Not everyone believes in sola scriptura. In the beginning was the Word. The writing came later.


The Word. That's right.

We better believe Christ then and take Him seriously when he says He's the only Way....after all, He is The Word.

It doesn't matter what everyone believes, or want to believe. Their belief doesn't change what's in the Scriptures.
 
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Even Peter, taught that there is only one way to salvation: Jesus.


Acts 4
Addressing the Sanhedrin

8 Then Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said to them, “Rulers of the people and elders of Israel: 9 If we this day are judged for a good deed done to a helpless man, by what means he has been made well, 10 let it be known to you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, by Him this man stands here before you whole.

11 This is the ‘stone which was rejected by you builders, which has become the chief cornerstone.’

12 Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”




There is no other way except through Christ!
Not multitude of good works, or praying to anyone to intercede on our behalf, could ever give us salvation.

In fact, to pray to Mary to intercede for us.....would make matters even worse for us.
It puts a question to our faith if we think Jesus isn't sufficient enough.


Of course, this is my opinion as a Protestant regarding Fatima (which in essence inevitably boils down to glorification and worship of Mary).
 
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Given that this year is the 100 year anniversary of the Marian apparition at Fatima, I wanted to know what Protestants think of it, if anything. Our Lady appeared to three children in Fatima, Portugal, telling the world of the need for penance, along with many other things. So, how do Protestants react to this miracle?



Most have never heard of it, or don't know any of the details.
 
Probably like I do...with a shrug. :shrug:

Then again, there are several different sects of Protestant.

I suppose some might condemn it, others accept it, and the rest do like I stated at the start of this reply.

You are entitled to believe as you do, and if you believe in the "miracle" of Fatima then more power to you.




Catholics need miracles to believe.

I consider myself a miracle having recovered from alcoholism 27 years ago.

I figure we'd have to be pretty arrogant to think we have it all figured out and I would be the last to call fake; the truth is we don't know, and no one else does no matter how much they read and dress in women's clothes.

What I DO KNOW, is that Jesus had a special warning for people who hurt children:

"It would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck and he were cast into the sea than that he should cause one of these little ones to sin."

And then I think of the children left in the hands of Catholic priests who were sexually abused.

I no longer believe Jesus meant for us to have priests and pastors. I have seen a lot of churches first hand in my quest to know the God who blessed me with sobriety and every one of them was corrupt to the core. I felt judged in every one of them and certainly didn't see a lot of grace. I worked as a paid minister for three years; it was the first time I ever needed a lawyer to sort things out.
 
Actually, if you read the explanation - you'd see what I mean. The focus isn't on God at all. Jesus was mentioned only as an after thought - because He has to be mentioned!
Without Jesus, there's nothing to justify the glorification, and all these bowing down to Mary!

Which is exactly why we venerate Mary, because of Jesus.

If Jesus is everything to our salvation - then what do you mean by saying this?




So you say that Jesus may not be the ONLY Way? Is that what you're saying?
If Catholic.com agrees with you.....they must therefore think Jesus was only kidding when He said, He's the ONLY WAY to salvation.

So....getting nailed and dying was all in vain. Jesus didn't have to go through all that drama!
After all, Mary can do the work, too!


You're giving contradictory answers.
On one hand you're saying Jesus may not be the only way to salvation, that there could be something (or someone) else aside from Him.........yet on the other, you're saying Jesus is everything to our salvation.
Which is it? You can't have it both ways!

Should we not look up to people who have lived holy lives as examples as to how we should live? If we found the burial shroud of Jesus, would you spit on it because only Jesus matters?

See what I mean? See what happens when we no longer regard the Bible as the ONLY AUTHORITATIVE source to keep us from straying?

It's easy enough to get confused by false teachings (which can only be inspired by Satan to lure us from the path).......what more when we don't seriously use our guide (Bible), which was given to us, for this very purpose?

As if the tens of thousands of different denominations who all believe in sola scriptura isn't evidence that Satan used this idea to infiltrate Christianity?
 
Most have never heard of it, or don't know any of the details.

Based on what I've read in this thread, most are indifferent to it, seeming to think that while the miraculous was possible in the past, God would never perform any large, public miracles today.
 
Based on what I've read in this thread, most are indifferent to it, seeming to think that while the miraculous was possible in the past, God would never perform any large, public miracles today.



Maybe. Maybe just more like not thinking Mary is particularly relevant to Protestants, and not really knowing much about it.



Most Protestants think about Mary once a year, at Christmas, for maybe five seconds. Just not a Protestant thing.
 
Based on what I've read in this thread, most are indifferent to it, seeming to think that while the miraculous was possible in the past, God would never perform any large, public miracles today.

Miracles of the Bible were performed for a particular purpose which is no longer needed...

Miracles served a number of important purposes. Most basic, they helped to establish or confirm the fact that a man was receiving power and support from God. (Ex 4:1-9) Both with Moses and Jesus people drew this correct conclusion. (Ex 4:30, 31; John 9:17, 31-33) Through Moses, God had promised a coming prophet. Jesus’ miracles helped observers to identify him as that one. (Deut 18:18; John 6:14) When Christianity was young, miracles worked in conjunction with the message to help individuals to see that God was behind Christianity and had turned from the earlier Jewish system of things. (Heb 2:3, 4) In time miraculous gifts present in the first century would pass away. They were needed only during the infancy of the Christian congregation.—1Cor 13:8-11.

In reading the history of the Acts of Apostles, we see that Jehovah’s spirit was working mightily, speedily, forming congregations, getting Christianity firmly established. (Ac 4:4; chaps 13, 14, 16-19) In the few short years between 33 and 70 C.E., thousands of believers were gathered in many congregations from Babylon to Rome, and perhaps even farther west. (1 Peter 5:13; Rom 1:1, 7; 15:24) It is worthy of note that copies of the Scriptures then were few. Usually only the well-to-do possessed scrolls or books of any sort. In pagan lands there was no knowledge of the Bible or the God of the Bible, Jehovah. Virtually everything had to be done by word of mouth. There were no Bible commentaries, concordances, and encyclopedias readily at hand. So the miraculous gifts of special knowledge, wisdom, speaking in tongues, and discernment of inspired utterances were vital for the congregation then. (1 Cor 12:4-11, 27-31) But, as the apostle Paul wrote, when those things were no longer needed, they would pass away.

A Different Situation Today. We do not see God performing such miracles by the hands of his Christian servants today, because all needed things are present and available to the literate population of the world, and to help those who cannot read but who will listen, there are mature Christians who have knowledge and wisdom gained by study and experience. It is not necessary for God to perform such miracles at this time to attest to Jesus Christ as God’s appointed deliverer, or to provide proof that He is backing up His servants. Even if God were to continue to give his servants the ability to perform miracles, that would not convince everyone, for not even all the eyewitnesses of Jesus’ miracles were moved to accept his teachings. (John 12:9-11) On the other hand, scoffers are warned by the Bible that there will yet be stupendous acts of God performed in the destruction of the present system of things.—2 Peter 3:1-10; Rev chaps 18, 19.

In conclusion, it may be said that either those who deny the existence of miracles do not believe there is an invisible God and Creator or they believe that he has not exercised his power in any superhuman way since creation. But their unbelief does not make the Word of God of no effect. (Rom 3:3, 4) The Biblical accounts of God’s miracles and the good purpose that they accomplished, always in harmony with the truths and principles found in his Word, instill confidence in God. They give strong assurance that God cares for mankind and that he can and will protect those who serve him. The miracles provide typical patterns, and the record of them builds faith that God will, in the future, intervene in a miraculous way, healing and blessing faithful humankind.—Re 21:4.

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