Should priests be allowed to marry?

The American streets have one ethical viewpoint--among those that tend to stay out of beefs or reduce the beefs they are in--that is far superior to middle-class and wealthy America and all its self righteous crusaders.

That viewpoint which I adopt for myself, or try to, is sometimes called "stay in your lane." Or a better way of putting it all is do as you will, even if I totally am against it, and I will do as I will. If you want to be Lutheran and have female priestess and married gay priests then do that. If one wants to be Catholic rather than Greek Orthodox then do that. If you want to listen to country music rather than rap music then do that. If you prefer baseball over football then watch or play baseball.

American streets are dangerous and acrimonious enough. People who try keeping to this principle tend to reduce the amount of conflicts they are in.

So, my thing is this with plenty of non-Catholics who think what Church or even what religion you belong to matters not. Why the hell are you invested in a Holy Crusade, engaged ion starting acrimony, in worrying about Catholics being Catholics in Catholicism? Eh?

My sympathies lay with the Orthodox and I want the Catholics staying right in Catholicism. Staying in their lane. I'm fine with Protestants staying in their lane. I think some of the Protestant things are ridiculous but so what. I'm on no Holy Crusade to convert them, in fact I want them to stay in their own lane.

Catholicism? That's a big cult of confusion today. You can't know from one day to the next what Catholics will think. Come 5 years from now it would not surprise me if their Pope declared Jesus just a nice man that wanted other people to be nice. I'm all for Catholics staying in their lane and keeping that away from the Orthodox.

So, if a Catholic wants to become a monk, or if he wants to have 4 husbands rather than become a monk and get banged in the butt, why do you care?

But you do care. Largely because you are a sinner like me--not a saint--and that deep sinner in you stirs a hatred for virginity and purity. Like the devil you are pleased and at home with the two men butt banging each other but you are inflamed with hostility toward any knowledge of a virgin living off from society taking on personal sacrifices.

I know this because I'm a sinner and I have a nose for other sinners. The difference is I chose not to hate the virgins and celibate. It's like the drug addict who hates that his relative has not become drug addicted, so, they want to them to become hooked on what they are hooked on and try to lure them into getting hooked. A despicable act if you ask me. The thief on the cross that taunted Jesus rather than the one that recognized the innocence of Jesus and his own guilt.

Padre Pio the monk was like Jesus. I'm like the thief. I deserve my nailing to the cross. May Pio--better than me--pray for me.

iguanaman said:

It also could have been that married men might demand more equality for women in the church and don't forget, Celibacy glorifies and "sanctifies" those men who resist women's "charms". The Churches age is showing no doubt. Like in all ancient religions started by men, women are "impure" and 2nd class to males.

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Singleness/celibacy really had nothing to do with equality but everything to do with the ministry...

Jesus said “Not all men make room for the saying, but only those who have the gift . . . and there are eunuchs that have made themselves eunuchs on account of the kingdom of the heavens. Let him that can make room for it make room for it.”Matt. 19:10-12

The teaching and practice of compulsory celibacy by certain religious sects, however, finds no support in Scripture...on the contrary...

“In later periods of time some will fall away from the faith, . . . forbidding to marry.” 1 Timothy 4:1-3

Many or most of the apostles were married men. 1 Cor. 9:5

What keeps those with the gift of singleness from marrying need not be a vow of celibacy but their desire and ability to apply themselves to the service of God in the single state...

Elvira said:

Singleness/celibacy really had nothing to do with equality but everything to do with the ministry...

Jesus said “Not all men make room for the saying, but only those who have the gift . . . and there are eunuchs that have made themselves eunuchs on account of the kingdom of the heavens. Let him that can make room for it make room for it.”Matt. 19:10-12

The teaching and practice of compulsory celibacy by certain religious sects, however, finds no support in Scripture...on the contrary...

“In later periods of time some will fall away from the faith, . . . forbidding to marry.” 1 Timothy 4:1-3

Many or most of the apostles were married men. 1 Cor. 9:5

What keeps those with the gift of singleness from marrying need not be a vow of celibacy but their desire and ability to apply themselves to the service of God in the single state...

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Is that what a eunuch is... "the gift of singleness." I think it was what's his name... "Origon" (spelling) that was a Christian living in Egpyt (might have been Greek ethnically or something I'm not sure) who supposedly castrated himself.

Holy Mother Church does not ask men to become eunuch to become Priests. Nor does it force Catholic boys and men to become Priests. It is a free choice, ergo, it is as Jesus says, "Those that choose to do so." Which is a far cry from cutting your balls or penis off or both. But you people will go to any length to try and make it out that the Vatican forces men to become Priests and then under threat of bayonets--and what the Las Vegas police department?--force Priests to not abandon their vows. If I get married is Papa Francis going to make me not break my vows to my wife by not committing adultery?

What happens if an American Catholic resigns from is management job at General Electric? The Papal police come arrest him? What happens if an American Catholic simply gives up being a Priest, gets married, become Muslim, and bangs his wife in the butt? Does the Papal police get parachuted in to arrest him and escort him back to Vatican City to stand trial? No. Priests collect paychecks from the Church. Imagine that. So, no one is forced, they can easily give up their "job" if they think their vow to God to remain celibate is nothing and get married and work carrying roofing shingles for a living. But imagine that... they don't want to those things I did to earn a few bucks or carry out evicted peoples bed bug infested mattresses like once again I have. Either that or they suspect their vow made to God to remain celibate is something.

(Although, the old Papal choir had an all boy choir made up of eunuchs. :lol: Only in the Latin Catholic Church.)


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eunuch

The term eunuch (/ˈjuːnək/; Greek: εὐνοῦχος)[1] generally refers to a man who has been castrated,[2] typically early enough in his life for this change to have major hormonal consequences.

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FastPace said:

Is that what a eunuch is... "the gift of singleness." I think it was what's his name... "Origon" (spelling) that was a Christian living in Egpyt (might have been Greek ethnically or something I'm not sure) who supposedly castrated himself.

Holy Mother Church does not ask men to become eunuch to become Priests. Nor does it force Catholic boys and men to become Priests. It is a free choice, ergo, it is as Jesus says, "Those that choose to do so." Which is a far cry from cutting your balls or penis off or both. But you people will go to any length to try and make it out that the Vatican forces men to become Priests and then under threat of bayonets--and what the Las Vegas police department?--force Priests to not abandon their vows. If I get married is Papa Francis going to make me not break my vows to my wife by not committing adultery?

What happens if an American Catholic resigns from is management job at General Electric? The Papal police come arrest him? What happens if an American Catholic simply gives up being a Priest, gets married, become Muslim, and bangs his wife in the butt? Does the Papal police get parachuted in to arrest him and escort him back to Vatican City to stand trial? No. Priests collect paychecks from the Church. Imagine that. So, no one is forced, they can easily give up their "job" if they think their vow to God to remain celibate is nothing and get married and work carrying roofing shingles for a living. But imagine that... they don't want to those things I did to earn a few bucks or carry out evicted peoples bed bug infested mattresses like once again I have. Either that or they suspect their vow made to God to remain celibate is something.

(Although, the old Papal choir had an all boy choir made up of eunuchs. :lol: Only in the Latin Catholic Church.)


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eunuch

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This is a recording of the last Castero .. only one record of his singing exists (made I think in 1902 or 1904).

RAMOSS said:

This is a recording of the last Castero .. only one record of his singing exists (made I think in 1902 or 1904).

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Thank you for that. Wow. First time I have ever heard that. That was a more girl-like or child-like voice than I anticipated to hear. Disturbing.

Yeah... I think I'd rather be a monk--with my balls still attached to me--and singing with a voice that sounds like an adult man. Just my preference.





I tried becoming a Catholic friar once (basically friars are monks, except they don't take vows of "stability" as I understand it). But they denied from even entering for a trial period as what do they call it, "a novice"? I don't recall the exact term without googling it. They don't let in crackheads (Maybe the FBI and US Army doesn't either... but I guess the Catholic Church will be the only bad guy in this case). At least that order didn't. Which I prefer not to name.

Anyways... no one was forcing me at gun point to join a monastery. The Pope didn't send the Swiss Guard to force me into a monastery. I'll tell you what... I'd rather be in a monastery than a violent US prison or living on the streets of Brazil's Crackland! :lol:

Also, to Elivira or whoever else:


Celibacy is not a sacrament in Catholicism. Neither is becoming a monk or friar. Becoming a Priest (Holy Orders) or getting married are both sacraments. The latter has to be sealed by sexual intercourse to be official.

You don't have to become a monk or friar or Priest to take vows of celibacy (which is different than just abstaining from sex until you meet the right person to marry) in Catholicism either. Opus Dei a religious fraternal order in Catholicism has lay Catholics that are professionals such as lawyers and medical doctors that actually take vows of celibacy (some of them) and live communally with other celibate lay people of their fraternity while living and working like normal folks in the world.

Or you can get married and if one wants to work in spreading their religion they can become "apologists" like Dr. Scott Hahn who is married and has kids. You don't have to take vows of celibacy or even vows of poverty. And you can even gain "fame" like Scot Hahn or like Michael Voris of Church Militant online TV.

In fact, if you want to gain money and notoriety, I would suggest a Catholic not join the priesthood. Contrary to what most non-Catholics think you don't automatically jump into fame, wealth, and being a Bishop right after getting ordained as a Priest. In fact, you chances of ever getting raised up to being a Bishop are small. It would be better for notoriety and money to stay a lay Catholic like Michael Voris--who does not have to take special vows of obedience to his Bishop like he would if he became a Priest.

You'll note... Voris is pretty harsh and hard on clergy. He's too hardcore at times for me. Whereas Bishop Baron is a little too wishy washy at times for me. Mostly I prefer Bishop Baron's personality and calm touch, but I wish at times he was a little more "hard" in passion like Voris. On some things at least.

(At the end of the day, the Bishops govern themselves and the priesthood, like US Marines govern themselves by making their own rules governing themselves.)

Yes, priest should be allowed to marry.