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Do you believe in demons? [W: 312]

Re: Do you believe in demons?

BillRM said:
Yes I am surely damn to hell by every true believer of every god/gods that human kind had dream up in our history and that is not counting the many versions of the gods.

Too bad we are not a few hundreds years in the past or living in some areas of this world today and you could have me kill so I could reach hell sooner then otherwise.

How can any sane adult be a believer in this kind of nonsense I do not know as any fairly bright child should rejected this craziness.

Footnote no I do not in fact think that Jesus was gay as at very best he is likely to be nothing but a compound/compiled person taken from the fringe religion preachers of that period.
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Bill, can we talk "real" for a second? I mean hit re-set between you and I, and talk "real"?

Imagine if I went onto a board specifically dedicated Muslims or say female feminists or say LGBTQ people. And the very first thing I do is post something to intentionally insult them. I'm not talking about posting a question, a doubt, a disagreement, or even offering a negative criticism in a certain area or on an overall philosophical position.

A few of the coolest dudes I've ever engaged with were atheists. I remember one guy in the VA was atheist and we had a great relationship. We would lightly joke some times on our opposing beliefs. I mean... this dude was straight science and that's it. There was no way I was going to persuade him of God let alone the Christian claim. But it was cool. He never insulted me, never blasphemed God, and I never insulted him for being atheist. Truth be told I liked him more than a lot of Christians. Hell, he was/is probably a better guy than I was/am.




If you Bill came into this thread and said, "Man... I'm sorry, if science can't prove it, I just can't believe it. I know some of you really believe in demons but to me that just sounds crazy."

More than likely my reply, or part of at least, would be, "I don't blame you."

Contrary to what you may think I'm a fairly rational guy. You know, there are some personal, intimate, reasons I acknowledge the existence of demons. Now I use that word "acknowledge" intentionally and not accidentally. I picked it rather than "believe." Listen, I'm so rational I'm stupid. What do I mean by that? There is no way I should doubt certain things. But I do. I question myself, wonder if I manufactured everything in my mind. But then I come back to realizing, no, it was real and I must move forward in belief it was real and more importantly change. The latter part is the hardest. All the angels in heaven, 10,000 or more deep could land on earth, throw trees around, miraculously make me rich and handsome beyond belief. You know what I would do (likely)? Probably still act a fool. Because I am one of the most hard headed sinners there is.

In a way you have less excuse than me because you don't know. See, I do know. And with that comes increased accountability.

Nonetheless, we all live on this earth. So, to varying degrees we all carry some culpability, responsibility, and accountability.

Listen, pray to God, pray to God of your understanding, or at least your attempt to be open to an existence of God. Let that guide you and don't listen to me. I am no one. I really encourage you to invoke the name Jesus when you pray and speak from your heart. Even if your heart has doubts or anger. And go from there. Where your heart leads you. You see, Bill, it is not about doing what I want. I'm not God. I'm unfit to unfasten his sandals. What it is about is between you and God.


You dig?

Then peace, player. :peace
 
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FastPace said:
The United States Government under the Obama and Hillary Administration helped ISIS. Nothing you say is going to change reality. Michael Flynn admits this. Congress woman Tulsi Gabbard acknowledges this. It's the simple fact. And under Trump hopefully this changed.
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Yay! More pretend games! Tell me about the colonies on Mars!
Not only am I Christian I'm a fiscal liberal and support the pursuit of world peace like a Tulsi Gabbard. A woman I greatly admire. She would make a fine President of the United States. She would make such a good President the Democratic and Republican Parties would make sure she never became President.
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I think tents shouldn't be constructed out of deli meats.
 
Re: Do you believe in demons?

Tanngrisnir said:
Yay! More pretend games! Tell me about the colonies on Mars!
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Report read--released through The Freedom of Information Act. On top of that you have Flynn giving testimony hear (Never heard a cop say, "You have the right to remain silent...").

You've posted zilch to defend your position. Just juvenile comments. You intentionally ignore this evil because you have supported and will support absolutely anything the people running your party do. You're not a patriot. You're certainly no hero. You're just another follower.

And the actions US evidence the US was helping ISIS to advance into Syria.



I think tents shouldn't be constructed out of deli meats.
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Yeah, sounds like the best intellectually someone that commits blasphemy against God can come up with. But non-Americans are going to see these videos I posted. Including Arab Muslims who have families members that have been slaughtered by ISIS. And they are going to see your stupid American replies making fun and light of it all.

Not all Muslims it funny. Praise be to Allah and the Russians.


Great Report on Russia's Chechen Soldiers in Syria
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJ7frbwLvBQ
Russian President Vladimir Putin's bullish entry into the Syrian conflict has worked wonders for his popularity in neighbouring Iraq, where some await "Hajji Putin" like a saviour.
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Re: Do you believe in demons?

FastPace said:
Report read--released through The Freedom of Information Act. On top of that you have Flynn giving testimony hear (Never heard a cop say, "You have the right to remain silent...").

You've posted zilch to defend your position. Just juvenile comments. You intentionally ignore this evil because you have supported and will support absolutely anything the people running your party do. You're not a patriot. You're certainly no hero. You're just another follower.

And the actions US evidence the US was helping ISIS to advance into Syria.





Yeah, sounds like the best intellectually someone that commits blasphemy against God can come up with. But non-Americans are going to see these videos I posted. Including Arab Muslims who have families members that have been slaughtered by ISIS. And they are going to see your stupid American replies making fun and light of it all.

Not all Muslims it funny. Praise be to Allah and the Russians.





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJ7frbwLvBQ
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Lulz. What you are posting are claims, not evidence, and claims about something totall irrelevant to the fact that pudding has been found to be delicious and I think I could use a new BBQ grill.

Why do you reject Jesus Christ and all his teachings?
 
Re: Do you believe in demons?

FastPace said:
Bill, can we talk "real" for a second? I mean hit re-set between you and I, and talk "real"?

Imagine if I went onto a board specifically dedicated Muslims or say female feminists or say LGBTQ people. And the very first thing I do is post something to intentionally insult them. I'm not talking about posting a question, a doubt, a disagreement, or even offering a negative criticism in a certain area or on an overall philosophical position.

A few of the coolest dudes I've ever engaged with were atheists. I remember one guy in the VA was atheist and we had a great relationship. We would lightly joke some times on our opposing beliefs. I mean... this dude was straight science and that's it. There was no way I was going to persuade him of God let alone the Christian claim. But it was cool. He never insulted me, never blasphemed God, and I never insulted him for being atheist. Truth be told I liked him more than a lot of Christians. Hell, he was/is probably a better guy than I was/am.




If you Bill came into this thread and said, "Man... I'm sorry, if science can't prove it, I just can't believe it. I know some of you really believe in demons but to me that just sounds crazy."

More than likely my reply, or part of at least, would be, "I don't blame you."

Contrary to what you may think I'm a fairly rational guy. You know, there are some personal, intimate, reasons I acknowledge the existence of demons. Now I use that word "acknowledge" intentionally and not accidentally. I picked it rather than "believe." Listen, I'm so rational I'm stupid. What do I mean by that? There is no way I should doubt certain things. But I do. I question myself, wonder if I manufactured everything in my mind. But then I come back to realizing, no, it was real and I must move forward in belief it was real and more importantly change. The latter part is the hardest. All the angels in heaven, 10,000 or more deep could land on earth, throw trees around, miraculously make me rich and handsome beyond belief. You know what I would do (likely)? Probably still act a fool. Because I am one of the most hard headed sinners there is.

In a way you have less excuse than me because you don't know. See, I do know. And with that comes increased accountability.

Nonetheless, we all live on this earth. So, to varying degrees we all carry some culpability, responsibility, and accountability.

Listen, pray to God, pray to God of your understanding, or at least your attempt to be open to an existence of God. Let that guide you and don't listen to me. I am no one. I really encourage you to invoke the name Jesus when you pray and speak from your heart. Even if your heart has doubts or anger. And go from there. Where your heart leads you. You see, Bill, it is not about doing what I want. I'm not God. I'm unfit to unfasten his sandals. What it is about is between you and God.


You dig?

Then peace, player. :peace
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As far as I know this is not a religion board even in part it is a general debate board and that would include whether one of the many many gods mankind had come up with over the centuries is or is not connected to the real universe.

Now yes I am not even temper when it come to the christian god given the harm that I know that the true believers had done in the past and are trying to do now in his name as well as needing to put up as a child with public school teachers trying to force christian down my throat with daily bible reading and prayers.

To be fair there had been worst gods such as the god of the Carthaginians who demand that they sacrifice some of their new born children by fire to him at least that what the priests claimed.

Then we have the Aztec who did not win any friends by sacrificing neighing peoples to their god by cutting out their living and beating hearts.
 
Re: Do you believe in demons?

Tanngrisnir said:
Lulz. What you are posting are claims...
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You're making claims. Except out your own mouth. [squints eyes in disbelief] You can't actually be that dense? Tell me you are only pretending to be that stupid?

...not evidence,
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You are not mentally challenged are you? If you tell me you have a mental disability I'll be cool with that and no harm no foul. Because when you open your mouth to cops, and they write it down or video record it, that's evidence that can be used against you. So, what Flynn said on video, along with the report the journalist read, obtained through the the Freedom of Information Act, is all evidence.
 
Re: Do you believe in demons?

BillRM said:
As far as I know this is not a religion board even in part it is a general debate board and that would include whether one of the many many gods mankind had come up with over the centuries is or is not connected to the real universe.
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The website itself is not a religious board, true. But sometimes I've seen people around the internet use the term "board" for the subsections of a website's Discussion Forum.

So, like this subsection is listed as:

Forum: Religious Discussions

This forum is dedicated and limited to discussions of religion, faith, and spirituality.
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It does not matter I'm not a big stickler for rules. And I also "get" what you were or are saying about "boards."
 
Re: Do you believe in demons?

BillRM said:
Now yes I am not even temper when it come to the christian god given the harm that I know that the true believers had done in the past and are trying to do now in his name as well as needing to put up as a child with public school teachers trying to force christian down my throat with daily bible reading and prayers.
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Okay, I see. While some claims about Christians "evils" has been exaggerated past and present, I will have to cede to you that there have been some damned evil Christians. While I don't initiate the topic often, and while I often don't say much on it, I have been very offended by some of the evil things I have read about some Catholics and other Christians doing to Jews. I mean it really offended and angered me. I try not to be like those Catholics and Christians even when I have what in my mind are legit criticisms of some "groups" of people including Jews. (I'm also cognizant Jews are not one monolithic group. They are even kind of like Latinos in that they come in different hues. With Jews: whites, blacks (Ethiopians), and Semite browns.

One of the worst things that bothered me when I was a Mass attending Catholic was the damned history of the Catholic Belgium in the Congo. Sweet God. My Germanic bloodlines were not too good in the part of black Africa they colonized too (they created a mixed-race, mulatto offspring tribe called the "Bastards" whom they basically abandoned even though these were their mixed-race children), but at least they weren't as utterly evil as the Catholic Belgium with what's his name.... King Leapold?).

But I still tried to keep the faith with Holy Mother Church. Even with the sex scandal. It was a number of things but I still tried to hold the faith.

For me my final straw (it was actually a number of things combined) was when I brought up my idea of conceptualizing sexual orientation through a process of psychological addiction. I mean if you were a scientist or philosopher and not invested in politics or religion or social activist groups it would just seem like an intriguing idea. You might take moments to think about it and disagree. But that's all it would be to you is an idea, an intellectual attempt to understand or solve a puzzle. That's it.

But Catholics--because like the Catholic Belgium in the Congo--they can never unlock their lips from the behinds of politics had to attack me like I asked for Jesus Christ to be crucified. These were conservative Catholics too. I knew then I was dealing with BS political machine. They were all on that "homosexual people are born gay, not a gun to their head, not money, not nothing can make them do anything but what their genes command, and we must love them and call them to celibacy because God made them gay."


Then I came across some essays by one or two Orthodox Christians. Blew my mind. They were explaining the Orthodox conceptulization of sin. Basically it was damn close or almost the same as my "addiction hypothesis." They used the Biblical term "passion" and explained that while there is no direct translation into modern English it can be loosely translated into modern English as "addiction." And the Orthodox view sin as a spiritual illness that needs *healing.* Which is kind of different than the Roman Catholic view which derives from the ancient Greek philosopher Plato: that sin is a lesser good or absence of good.

I w motivated by politics on my "addiction hypothesis" but on a gut *knowing.* Like... where you *know* something deep down? That was my only motivation.

But I still have mental influences from Roman Catholicism particularly with my fear and concept of hell. It is very hard for me to break. The Orthodox Christians have a different view of hell. Unlike anything you've heard of. It still involves fire but it is only how the soul experiences Gods love. Not that it is actual fire. It's different. You should google it up if nothing else than just out of curiosity.






Well, Bill, you have to find your own road, where ever that may take you. And if it is not down the Christian road then I still wish you best of luck and safe traveling nonetheless. I still encourage you to pray to Jesus on your own time out of your own will. Or at least if you ever get in trouble. From experience I can tell you there is no better Cavalry to the rescue than Jesus.

:peace
 
Re: Do you believe in demons?

BillRM said:
As far as I know this is not a religion board even in part it is a general debate board and that would include whether one of the many many gods mankind had come up with over the centuries is or is not connected to the real universe.

Now yes I am not even temper when it come to the christian god given the harm that I know that the true believers had done in the past and are trying to do now in his name as well as needing to put up as a child with public school teachers trying to force christian down my throat with daily bible reading and prayers.

To be fair there had been worst gods such as the god of the Carthaginians who demand that they sacrifice some of their new born children by fire to him at least that what the priests claimed.

Then we have the Aztec who did not win any friends by sacrificing neighing peoples to their god by cutting out their living and beating hearts.
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Atheists have murdered more people just in my lifetime than all religions combined.
 
Re: Do you believe in demons?

BillRM said:
Nice try but babes in their mother arms are not sinners and deserve to die by drowning or by fire from the heavens for that matter or having their heads cut off by soldiers of the 'lord' as they are not young girls who had yet to know a man or...........

Sorry this god in my opinion is no more real then the thousands of others gods that the mind of man had come up with but true or not true such a god is by his very nature is as evil as any so call demons.

How can anyone worship such a nightmare being? Is it just fear of this being torturing you for all of eternity if you do not worship this baby killer god?
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Then you have made your choice...evidently without even getting to know the God you speak of and that is too bad...don't worry, you won't be tortured forever...you will simply be out of existence, nevermore to enjoy life or what it could have been on a paradise earth...

"9 But just as it is written: “Eye has not seen and ear has not heard, nor have there been conceived in the heart of man the things that God has prepared for those who love him.”

10 For it is to us God has revealed them through his spirit, for the spirit searches into all things, even the deep things of God."
 
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I don't believe in Demons, Angels, an afterlife or any final judgement.

I do believe any study of faith throughout man's history shows a strong need to have some higher power to explain what can't be known at the time.

God's fighting is thunder, a superior warrior- his mom did it with a swan... :roll:

All through history many myths pass from one religion to another. Everything from a virgin giving birth to resurrection.

Early non Christian philosophers set many of the Christians tenants centuries before the birth of Christ.

I figure whatever floats your boat- if you need a vengeful God, a forgiving God, a generous God to attempt to live a good life- go for it.

When I commit a bad act the devil didn't make me do it... :peace
 
Re: Do you believe in demons?

Tanngrisnir said:
Lulz. What you are posting are claims, not evidence, and claims about something totall irrelevant to the fact that pudding has been found to be delicious and I think I could use a new BBQ grill.

Why do you reject Jesus Christ and all his teachings?
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Moderator's Warning:
The off-topic baiting stops now.
 
Re: Do you believe in demons?

FastPace said:
Okay, I see. While some claims about Christians "evils" has been exaggerated past and present, I will have to cede to you that there have been some damned evil Christians. While I don't initiate the topic often, and while I often don't say much on it, I have been very offended by some of the evil things I have read about some Catholics and other Christians doing to Jews. I mean it really offended and angered me.
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You do know when Jews was being mistreated up to being slowly torture to death in Spain a Muslim ruler send a fleet to removed them from Spain and welcome them to settle in his kingdom?
 
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it's just me said:
Atheists have murdered more people just in my lifetime than all religions combined.
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LOL let see if I remember correctly Stalin study to be a priest in a seminary in his younger days and the Nazis main target was the Jews and they was in bed with a large part of the Catholic church leadership to the point that high elements in the church aid the fleeing of the Nazis killers after WW2.

Strange Atheists in both cases.
 
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BillRM said:
LOL let see if I remember correctly Stalin study to be a priest in a seminary in his younger days and the Nazis main target was the Jews and they was in bed with a large part of the Catholic church leadership to the point that high elements in the church aid the fleeing of the Nazis killers after WW2.

Strange Atheists in both cases.
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Yeah, I know, when atheists murder people they always blame it on Christians. Was Pol Pot also a seminary student? No? How about Mao Zedong?
 
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it's just me said:
Yeah, I know, when atheists murder people they always blame it on Christians. Was Pol Pot also a seminary student? No? How about Mao Zedong?
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The problem you face with your implications is that those people weren't murdered in the name of atheism and many of those involved were religious in terms of worshiping the state and cults of personality.
 
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Tanngrisnir said:
The problem you face with your implications is that those people weren't murdered in the name of atheism.
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Oh, that makes all the difference in the world! So, when you murder someone you have to say why you are murdering them or it doesn't count.
 
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it's just me said:
Oh, that makes all the difference in the world! So, when you murder someone you have to say why you are murdering them or it doesn't count.
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It makes a difference in addressing your rationalizations and rather silly attempt at demonizing atheists while completely missing the point. They didn't murder 'in the name' of atheism, and history clearly demonstrates.
 
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Tanngrisnir said:
It makes a difference in addressing your rationalizations and rather silly attempt at demonizing atheists while completely missing the point. They didn't murder 'in the name' of atheism, and history clearly demonstrates.
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Atheists don't need me to demonize them, they are doing a perfectly adequate job on their own, and I think you're the one who is missing the point.
 
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it's just me said:
Atheists don't need me to demonize them, they are doing a perfectly adequate job on their own, and I think you're the one who is missing the point.
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That's an odd thing to assert, if they don't need it, given that's exctly what you're doing.

The tired, dishonest trope that "ATHEISTS MURDERED MILLIONS!" is just that: tired and dishonest as it tries to attribute the political mass murder of the 20th/21st centuries as having been due to atheism.
 
Re: Do you believe in demons?

it's just me said:
Yeah, I know, when atheists murder people they always blame it on Christians. Was Pol Pot also a seminary student? No? How about Mao Zedong?
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I have no idea nor do I have any reason to think that they was atheists either.

Would you care to post any statements and links by them that would indicate that they was atheists?
 
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it's just me said:
Oh, that makes all the difference in the world! So, when you murder someone you have to say why you are murdering them or it doesn't count.
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You are claiming they was atheists so how about some indication you are right in that claim?
 
Re: Do you believe in demons?

BillRM said:
You are claiming they was atheists so how about some indication you are right in that claim?
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Don't they teach history in your world?
 
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