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Do you believe in demons? [W: 312]

Re: Do you believe in demons?

Elvira said:
I believe Revelation 12:7-9 explains very well why we see the upheaval on the earth today...

"And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them any longer in heaven. So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him."
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Many believe we are living in end times. Gaging by the increase of evil acts, deeds so vile, they may be right.

I don't believe man is inherently good nor do I think he is inherently evil. I think it has to do with what spirit you allow to make a home in you.
 
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_Sal said:
man's inhumanity to man is a literary theme

it can not get worse

we have committed heinous crimes toward each other from the beginning of time

as we progress we who are more emotionally, and mentally evolved merely are more horrified

a raped baby is just one heinous crime...any innocent injured by the power of another is a wrong done to all

why do you believe it is worse now than before...until recently women, children and the old had zero value...zero
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I disagree that until recently women, children and the old had zero value.

Just within my lifetime I have seen the evil acts so heinous increase significantly in society.
 
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If you believe in demons and possession, etc, then you must also believe in satan. An immortal being that's impossibly old. Who's goal is to corrupt humanity and lead them away from God.

Ok, logic time.

How best to do that? I'd say, lay low, and be more passive aggressive. Work on making God and religion out to be a myth. That doesn't work if someone has evidence or proof of the devil.
 
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vesper said:
I disagree that until recently women, children and the old had zero value.

Just within my lifetime I have seen the evil acts so heinous increase significantly in society.
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I think that's more to do with the fading of classical morality, and the viewing of humans as just another animal.
 
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vesper said:
I disagree that until recently women, children and the old had zero value.

Just within my lifetime I have seen the evil acts so heinous increase significantly in society.
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precisely my point...look at history....your recent awareness does not mean it was absent prior
 
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KevinKohler said:
I think that's more to do with the fading of classical morality, and the viewing of humans as just another animal.
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But the level of evil some are capable of doing to me is down right demonic.
 
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_Sal said:
precisely my point...look at history....your recent awareness does not mean it was absent prior
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You make a good point Sal.
 
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vesper said:
Well RAMOSS we are faced with a society that for the most part chooses not to lead a more sanctified life. Hence we have babies being violated as I posted earlier. We have kids being sold into sex slavery. We have people being shot on a daily basis because they are not on the right team with the one with the gun. What is wrong with this picture?
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Well, then, there are people who choose wrongly. Their is no need for demons to lead people astray, they do a good enough job on their own, and have to take responsibility for their own action. What's wrong with the picture is people will do the evil, and say demons made them.
 
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vesper said:
You make a good point Sal.
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I do believe that a piece of the horror you are feeling when you view man's inhumanity to man is your awareness and empathy along with a feeling of helplessness to stop it.

If you read about life just prior to the Holocaust you will see the forcing of emigration, the dehumanizing and demonizing of certain groups of people, segregating etc.

We are not a kind species. We are a violent and cruel one.
 
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vesper said:
Many believe we are living in end times. Gaging by the increase of evil acts, deeds so vile, they may be right.

I don't believe man is inherently good nor do I think he is inherently evil. I think it has to do with what spirit you allow to make a home in you.
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The 'evil' you have seen it is just coming out in the open and being reported on. Back 100 years ago, things where there, just hidden. The evil acts aren't increasing, they just are being reported on.
 
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I don't know about 'end times,' but I sometimes wonder if Trump is possessed by a demon.
 
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vesper said:
I disagree that until recently women, children and the old had zero value.

Just within my lifetime I have seen the evil acts so heinous increase significantly in society.
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And, now, women and children and old DO have value... and things that used to be done to them regularly and were considered normal are now considered evil. Is that an increase in evil, or an increase of awareness, and better values , so the bar of morality has been raised?
 
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vesper said:
But the level of evil some are capable of doing to me is down right demonic.
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Nah. Read the bible sometime. They hung a dude, alive, on a cross, with spikes through his wrists and ankles, and left him there till he died. And that was a standard practice. Drawing and quartering. The rack. An iron maiden. Slaves.

No, compared to history, what we see today ain't nothin.
 
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RAMOSS said:
Well, then, there are people who choose wrongly. Their is no need for demons to lead people astray, they do a good enough job on their own, and have to take responsibility for their own action. What's wrong with the picture is people will do the evil, and say demons made them.
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I find it very hard to believe that some can be so vile, wicked, perverted in their deeds without being under the influence of something evil.
 
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RAMOSS said:
The 'evil' you have seen it is just coming out in the open and being reported on. Back 100 years ago, things where there, just hidden. The evil acts aren't increasing, they just are being reported on.
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You make a good point RAMOSS. Today there is no shortage of reports of people doing the unthinkable.
 
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vesper said:
From time to time surfing the web I come across some really troubling stories of heinous acts that human beings have engaged in against other human beings. Often they bring me to tears. And today was one such day where a man was convicted of sexually abusing an infant.

The number of heinous acts committed by some seem to be growing and often they are against our most vulnerable. You can call it mental illness if you like but the level of such heinous acts leads me to believe some people are possessed.

What say you?
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I don't believe in demons that exist in a netherworld somewhere. I believe in spirits and ghosts. But, not demons in a biblical sense. Definitely believe there are malevolent forces out there, I just don't know if they are that powerful, as people who believe in angels and demons seem to believe. I used to be plagued by nightmares. Like, dreams of faceless black figures haunting me when I slept, and I figured out, if I charged them and tickled them and forced them to laugh, they would go away.
 
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Elvira said:
There is no other excuse for the atrocities being committed today...much like Sodom and Gomorrah...I don't think the human mind is capable of thinking up such things on its own...
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That only indicates you don't know people very well.
 
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No, I don't. But I understand it is easier for many people to blame such acts on evil supernatural forces, because the alternative is actually scarier.
 
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KevinKohler said:
If you believe in demons and possession, etc, then you must also believe in satan. An immortal being that's impossibly old. Who's goal is to corrupt humanity and lead them away from God.

Ok, logic time.

How best to do that? I'd say, lay low, and be more passive aggressive. Work on making God and religion out to be a myth. That doesn't work if someone has evidence or proof of the devil.
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Working on making God out to be a myth sounds like a plan.;)

But I'm thinking here of what "Uncle Screwtape" had to say in The Screwtape Letters about education and how the demons could kick back and enjoy because humankind was doing such a fine job on its own of screwing it up.
 
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Skeptic Bob said:
No, I don't. But I understand it is easier for many people to blame such acts on evil supernatural forces, because the alternative is actually scarier.
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vesper said:
From time to time surfing the web I come across some really troubling stories of heinous acts that human beings have engaged in against other human beings. Often they bring me to tears. And today was one such day where a man was convicted of sexually abusing an infant.

The number of heinous acts committed by some seem to be growing and often they are against our most vulnerable. You can call it mental illness if you like but the level of such heinous acts leads me to believe some people are possessed.

What say you?
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I think you'd enjoy reading M. Scott Peck, M.D.'s People of the Lie. He saw evil as a malignant narcissism. Here is summary at Wiki of how he defined an evil person (scroll down to subhead "Evil" under "People of the Lie"):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M._Scott_Peck

Is God a Psychotherapist? | Christianity Today
 
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vesper said:
From time to time surfing the web I come across some really troubling stories of heinous acts that human beings have engaged in against other human beings. Often they bring me to tears. And today was one such day where a man was convicted of sexually abusing an infant.
The number of heinous acts committed by some seem to be growing and often they are against our most vulnerable. You can call it mental illness if you like but the level of such heinous acts leads me to believe some people are possessed.
What say you?
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vesper said:
Cardinal, in your wildest dreams, did you ever think humans would resort to the level heinousness that gets reported daily?
One point in my life I felt each of us had a good and bad side. I still do. But the level of constant hideous behavior of some truly makes me believe that there is an evil force among us that is possessing those with no scruples to do such things.
It has far surpassed what some like to claim mental illness. It surpasses sick into evil.
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It's easier for you to believe that it's not really their fault and it's some evil supernatural entity making them bad than it is to accept that some people are just plain evil. People have free will, and some of us will use it in pretty sick ways. It doesn't really help to shift the blame onto someone else, we're all responsible for our actions.
 
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Public execution of the most gruesome sort used to be a spectacle that the common folk fought over to get to see. Like going to the movies, only with a lot of blood, and usually, intestines. And people were gleefully delighted by it.

I think that what people need to understand is that we aren't Devine beings, we have a base, animalistic nature.
 
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KevinKohler said:
If you believe in demons and possession, etc, then you must also believe in satan. An immortal being that's impossibly old. Who's goal is to corrupt humanity and lead them away from God.

Ok, logic time.

How best to do that? I'd say, lay low, and be more passive aggressive. Work on making God and religion out to be a myth. That doesn't work if someone has evidence or proof of the devil.
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Satan is not immortal...the Bible speaks of God destroying him one day...an immortal cannot be destroyed...
 
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