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Do you believe in demons? [W: 312]

Re: Do you believe in demons?

vesper said:
My thread was simple. Do you believe in demons? Evidently you saw this as a means to make something political. So sad too bad. Hope you get dinged.
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The Bible states that all of God's creation is perfect; it expresses no time frame ....... God's time frame is INFINITY, right? so, God is in control NOW, God allows this chaos for His own agenda .............. God is looking down on His creation and saying to Himself, this is My doing, this is good, this is perfect .................. stop lying to yourself ......... accept what you deny ...........
 
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vesper said:
My thread was simple. Do you believe in demons? Evidently you saw this as a means to make something political. So sad too bad. Hope you get dinged.
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No, not political; see post # 26 .......... and yes, I believe in 'demons' ............ you have them too, even if you don't realize that fact ...........
 
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cuban smokes said:
The Bible states that all of God's creation is perfect; it expresses no time frame ....... God's time frame is INFINITY, right? so, God is in control NOW, God allows this chaos for His own agenda .............. God is looking down on His creation and saying to Himself, this is My doing, this is good, this is perfect .................. stop lying to yourself ......... accept what you deny ...........
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Wrong...the time frame was over when Satan rebelled, along with Adam and Eve...
 
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Elvira said:
Wrong...the time frame was over when Satan rebelled, along with Adam and Eve...
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believe what you like BUT stop lying to yourself; humanity lies to itself daily & that is why we are in such a ****ed up mess .........
 
Re: Do you believe in demons?

cuban smokes said:
No, not political; see post # 26 .......... and yes, I believe in 'demons' ............ you have them too, even if you don't realize that fact ...........
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Alright so you believe in demons. We are getting somewhere amongst the muck.
 
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vesper said:
From time to time surfing the web I come across some really troubling stories of heinous acts that human beings have engaged in against other human beings. Often they bring me to tears. And today was one such day where a man was convicted of sexually abusing an infant.

The number of heinous acts committed by some seem to be growing and often they are against our most vulnerable. You can call it mental illness if you like but the level of such heinous acts leads me to believe some people are possessed.

What say you?
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Man does not need demons to do evil to their fellow man
 
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Humans can be very demonische to their fellow humans.
 
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vesper said:
Alright so you believe in demons. We are getting somewhere amongst the muck.
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demons are in every life form; they must be battled on a daily basis

The Creator placed the demons within every life form so, that every life form learns from the evil within

every life form has the power of good, and the power of evil

we all have the free will to choose the good, and not the evil aka the demons

BUT as a political theme, the GOP is completely full of demonic possession ..........
 
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RAMOSS said:
Man does not need demons to do evil to their fellow man
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I agree with you Ramoss to a point. One might gossip about another and bring them grief. Another might steal pens and pencils from his employment. If you break any of the top ten commandments doesn't mean you have demons. But don't you dare tell me what we are facing in society today hardly pales in comparison. The evil deeds of some there is no comparison.
 
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vesper said:
I agree with you Ramoss to a point. One might gossip about another and bring them grief. Another might steal pens and pencils from his employment. If you break any of the top ten commandments doesn't mean you have demons. But don't you dare tell me what we are facing in society today hardly pales in comparison. The evil deeds of some there is no comparison.
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I don't believe in demons. To a large extent, modern Judaism does not believe in demons at all.. It might be fine to excuse some people's behavior on demonic possession or demons, but I am afraid man kind has to take responsibility for it's own actions.
 
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RAMOSS said:
I don't believe in demons. To a large extent, modern Judaism does not believe in demons at all.. It might be fine to excuse some people's behavior on demonic possession or demons, but I am afraid man kind has to take responsibility for it's own actions.
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Thank you for your response.
While modern day Judiasm does nto believe in demons, a time in the past they did.

thank you for your response.
 
Re: Do you believe in demons?

vesper said:
Thank you for your response.
While modern day Judiasm does nto believe in demons, a time in the past they did.

thank you for your response.
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There are records going back to the medival times rejecting the existence of Demons. So, the rejection of the concept is not new.
 
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vesper said:
I agree with you Ramoss to a point. One might gossip about another and bring them grief. Another might steal pens and pencils from his employment. If you break any of the top ten commandments doesn't mean you have demons. But don't you dare tell me what we are facing in society today hardly pales in comparison. The evil deeds of some there is no comparison.
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Every generation in the history of man has been demoniacal. Humans prey on humans.
 
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RAMOSS said:
I don't believe in demons. To a large extent, modern Judaism does not believe in demons at all.. It might be fine to excuse some people's behavior on demonic possession or demons, but I am afraid man kind has to take responsibility for it's own actions.
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Believing the demons are responsible for what we see today on the earth in no way excuses man's behavior...God doesn't excuse it either...we all have bad thoughts because we're imperfect but it's our choice or not as to whether to act on those thoughts or dismiss them from our minds...
 
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RAMOSS said:
Man does not need demons to do evil to their fellow man
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So you say. I have data that states there I still a portion of Jews to this date that believe in demons.

Thank you for inputs.
 
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Elvira said:
Believing the demons are responsible for what we see today on the earth in no way excuses man's behavior...God doesn't excuse it either...we all have bad thoughts because we're imperfect but it's our choice or not as to whether to act on those thoughts or dismiss them from our minds...
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The concept of Satan in Judaism is quite different that Christainity.. In Judaism, the role of Ha-Satan is to provide bad choices.. because man has to have bad choices to be able to reject them. It is only by rejecting them and doing good that mankind can lift itself from the mundane and lead a more sanctified life.
 
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I believe Revelation 12:7-9 explains very well why we see the upheaval on the earth today...

"And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them any longer in heaven. So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him."
 
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cuban smokes said:
demons are in every life form; they must be battled on a daily basis

The Creator placed the demons within every life form so, that every life form learns from the evil within

every life form has the power of good, and the power of evil

we all have the free will to choose the good, and not the evil aka the demons

BUT as a political theme, the GOP is completely full of demonic possession ..........
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Hey Cuban you had something going there that many would agree with until you made political.
 
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RAMOSS said:
The concept of Satan in Judaism is quite different that Christainity.. In Judaism, the role of Ha-Satan is to provide bad choices.. because man has to have bad choices to be able to reject them. It is only by rejecting them and doing good that mankind can lift itself from the mundane and lead a more sanctified life.
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Well RAMOSS we are faced with a society that for the most part chooses not to lead a more sanctified life. Hence we have babies being violated as I posted earlier. We have kids being sold into sex slavery. We have people being shot on a daily basis because they are not on the right team with the one with the gun. What is wrong with this picture?
 
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Well Ramoss is closer to the truth than he probably knows...the governments are corrupt...all of them...Daniel and John both are just 2 prophets who prophesied about how all worldly government will be destroyed because they oppose God's kingdom...

“In the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed. And this kingdom will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms+ and it alone will stand forever," Daniel 2:44

The UN boasts Daniel 2:4 but little do they realize they're among the very ones it's talking about...

"He will render judgment among the nations
And set matters straight respecting many peoples.
They will beat their swords into plowshares
And their spears into pruning shears.
Nation will not lift up sword against nation,
Nor will they learn war anymore."
 
Re: Do you believe in demons?

vesper said:
From time to time surfing the web I come across some really troubling stories of heinous acts that human beings have engaged in against other human beings. Often they bring me to tears. And today was one such day where a man was convicted of sexually abusing an infant.

The number of heinous acts committed by some seem to be growing and often they are against our most vulnerable. You can call it mental illness if you like but the level of such heinous acts leads me to believe some people are possessed.

What say you?
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Just as much as I "believe" in ghosts, gods, angels, devils etc, which is to say not at all.

There is no evidence to support the existence of any of that nonsense.
 
Re: Do you believe in demons?

vesper said:
From time to time surfing the web I come across some really troubling stories of heinous acts that human beings have engaged in against other human beings. Often they bring me to tears. And today was one such day where a man was convicted of sexually abusing an infant.

The number of heinous acts committed by some seem to be growing and often they are against our most vulnerable. You can call it mental illness if you like but the level of such heinous acts leads me to believe some people are possessed.

What say you?
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man's inhumanity to man is a literary theme

it can not get worse

we have committed heinous crimes toward each other from the beginning of time

as we progress we who are more emotionally, and mentally evolved merely are more horrified

a raped baby is just one heinous crime...any innocent injured by the power of another is a wrong done to all

why do you believe it is worse now than before...until recently women, children and the old had zero value...zero
 
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cuban smokes said:
demons are in every life form; they must be battled on a daily basis

The Creator placed the demons within every life form so, that every life form learns from the evil within

every life form has the power of good, and the power of evil

we all have the free will to choose the good, and not the evil aka the demons

BUT as a political theme, the GOP is completely full of demonic possession ..........
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I disagree, there are those amongst us who do not know the difference between good and bad

they are damaged beyond repair, they must be harnessed and removed from society
 
Re: Do you believe in demons?

vesper said:
From time to time surfing the web I come across some really troubling stories of heinous acts that human beings have engaged in against other human beings. Often they bring me to tears. And today was one such day where a man was convicted of sexually abusing an infant.

The number of heinous acts committed by some seem to be growing and often they are against our most vulnerable. You can call it mental illness if you like but the level of such heinous acts leads me to believe some people are possessed.

What say you?
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The concept of evil carries with it religious overtones. It implies being possessed by the supernatural.

I prefer to label bad to heinous behaviour as nothing more than selfishness. A behaviour which self satisfies with disregard for the impact on others. All living things are inherently extremely selfish in the attempt at survival from the level of species down to the level of the individual.

It's a higher order trait of species which value others as a survival tactic. For humans, behaving out of empathy for others is considered good. Behaving with disregard for others is considered somewhere between bad to evil.
 
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