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Anybody wanna discuss the book? What do you think the beast represents? The Harlot? Babylon the Great? The purpose of the book? The New Jerusalem? Gog and Magog?
 
Elvira said:
Anybody wanna discuss the book? What do you think the beast represents? The Harlot? Babylon the Great? The purpose of the book? The New Jerusalem? Gog and Magog?
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Only because you ask the purpose, the purpose is to control and it's vague enough that the interpretations can be brought about anything. Some have said it's already begun. Perhaps you would like to elaborate on what you believe?
 
Revelations, IMO, is a tool, in order to add urgency. Before the advent of oil, and nuclear age, the earth was all but indestructible, and while, a human life is finite, human life in general would go on seemingly without end.

A thing without an end can have no fear of punishment, not really. Unending has a way of muting most concerns.

That would not do...humanity could not be permanent, not and still fear God. Only individuals would fear God, in that case, and that simply wouldn't do.
 
Praxas said:
Only because you ask the purpose, the purpose is to control and it's vague enough that the interpretations can be brought about anything. Some have said it's already begun. Perhaps you would like to elaborate on what you believe?
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Briefly I think the first six heads of the beast represents Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, and Rome...the seventh head, the Anglo-American World Power....

Babylon the Great represents the world empire of false religion, embracing all religions whose teachings and practices do not conform to the true worship of Jehovah, the only true God...following the Flood of Noah’s day, false religion had its beginning at Babel, later known as Babylon. Gen. 10:8-10; 11:4-9...in time, Babylonish religious beliefs and practices spread to many lands. So Babylon the Great became a fitting name for false religion as a whole.

New Jerusalem is heavenly, not earthly, for it comes down “out of heaven from God” ...so it is God's kingdom, established in heaven to rule over the earth of mankind, with it's leader, Jesus Christ...

Gog and Magog...Revelation 20:8 also speaks of “Gog and Magog”...both names are shown to apply to “those nations in the four corners of the earth” who allow themselves to be misled by Satan after he is released from the symbolic “abyss"...since other texts show that the Millennial Rule of Christ brings an end to national rule and divisions , it would appear that such “nations” are the product of rebellion against his earth-wide dominion. Dan 2:44; 7:13, 14

The purpose of the book...just what it implies...The Greek word translated means “an uncovering” or “a disclosure” and is often used regarding revelations of spiritual matters or of God’s will and purposes...
 
Elvira said:
Briefly I think the first six heads of the beast represents Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, and Rome...the seventh head, the Anglo-American World Power....

Babylon the Great represents the world empire of false religion, embracing all religions whose teachings and practices do not conform to the true worship of Jehovah, the only true God...following the Flood of Noah’s day, false religion had its beginning at Babel, later known as Babylon. Gen. 10:8-10; 11:4-9...in time, Babylonish religious beliefs and practices spread to many lands. So Babylon the Great became a fitting name for false religion as a whole.

New Jerusalem is heavenly, not earthly, for it comes down “out of heaven from God” ...so it is God's kingdom, established in heaven to rule over the earth of mankind, with it's leader, Jesus Christ...

Gog and Magog...Revelation 20:8 also speaks of “Gog and Magog”...both names are shown to apply to “those nations in the four corners of the earth” who allow themselves to be misled by Satan after he is released from the symbolic “abyss"...since other texts show that the Millennial Rule of Christ brings an end to national rule and divisions , it would appear that such “nations” are the product of rebellion against his earth-wide dominion. Dan 2:44; 7:13, 14

The purpose of the book...just what it implies...The Greek word translated means “an uncovering” or “a disclosure” and is often used regarding revelations of spiritual matters or of God’s will and purposes...
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The seven heads are the seven hills of rome, and the beast is Nero.
 
RAMOSS said:
The seven heads are the seven hills of rome, and the beast is Nero.
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Interesting...why do you say that and how is that a revelation for the future?
 
Elvira said:
Interesting...why do you say that and how is that a revelation for the future?
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I don't think that the Revelation of John was meant for a revelation for the future. However, the Gematria for the two 'numbers of the beast' that are mentioned are equal to Nero's name (one in greek, the other in Latin)., Gematria is basically assigning a number to each letter , based on it's position in the alphabet (A = 1 , B = 2, etc) and then adding them up. The symbolism is talking about the political situation in Rome at the time. In addition, Rome was known as 'The City of the Seven Hills'

Now, this is an interpretation from an evangelistic Christian viewpoint. It's a common interpretation. I think there are some very good points, but am not 100% sure of all the claims... it has reasonable ideas though.

https://postmillennialismtoday.com/2014/09/15/revelation-in-neros-time/
 
Thanks for answering...there are events in Revelation yet to be...and some events are taking place as we speak...
 
Elvira said:
Thanks for answering...there are events in Revelation yet to be...and some events are taking place as we speak...
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Since there is so much symbolism in the book, people can interpret it in so many ways that the same events have been happening for 1900 years.
 
RAMOSS said:
Since there is so much symbolism in the book, people can interpret it in so many ways that the same events have been happening for 1900 years.
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If that's what you wanna believe that's fine...
 
Elvira said:
If that's what you wanna believe that's fine...
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And, if you can actually show evidence that point is not true, I would love to see it.
 
Elvira said:
Anybody wanna discuss the book? What do you think the beast represents? The Harlot? Babylon the Great? The purpose of the book? The New Jerusalem? Gog and Magog?
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The Book of Revelation reads like a bad acid trip. It's more of a dissuasion from Christianity for me than any other single book except possibly Deuteronomy, and at times Leviticus.
 
<alt>doxygen said:
The Book of Revelation reads like a bad acid trip. It's more of a dissuasion from Christianity for me than any other single book except possibly Deuteronomy, and at times Leviticus.
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It very nearly did not make it into Canon.

In his Ecclesiastical History, Eusebius the 3rd-4th century church historian notes this:

Afterward he [Dionysus, Bishop of Alexandria, died 264] speaks in this manner of the Apocalypse of John. "Some before us have set aside and rejected the book altogether, criticizing it chapter by chapter, and pronouncing it without sense or argument, and maintaining that the title is fraudulent. For they say that it is not the work of John, nor is it a revelation, because it is covered thickly and densely by a veil of obscurity. And they affirm that none of the apostles, rend none of the saints, nor any one in the Church is its author, but that Cerinthus, who founded the sect which was called after him the Cerinthian, desiring reputable authority for his fiction, prefixed the name. For the doctrine which he taught was this: that the kingdom of Christ will be an earthly one. And as he was himself devoted to the pleasures of the body and altogether sensual in his nature, he dreamed that that kingdom would consist in those things which he desired, namely, in the delights of the belly and of sexual passion; that is to say, in eating and drinking and marrying, and in festivals and sacrifices and the slaying of victims, under the guise of which he thought he could indulge his appetites with a better grace. But I could not venture to reject the book, as many brethren hold it in high esteem. But I suppose that it is beyond my comprehension, and that there is a certain concealed and more wonderful meaning in every part. For if I do not understand I suspect that a deeper sense lies beneath the words. I do not measure and judge them by my own reason, but leaving the more to faith regard them as too high for me to grasp. And I do not reject what I cannot comprehend, but rather wonder because I do not understand it."
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Babylon = the US & Washington DC (on the hill)

The Harlot = the US government (that has contaminated the planet)
 
RAMOSS said:
It very nearly did not make it into Canon.
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I have read that it was assumed to be written by someone trying to code everything so that the bad guys (Romans) who were holding him prisoner at the time couldn't decipher it. No matter, humans have spent I'm sure millions of hours trying to decipher it.

It makes every day worth living for these folks:
Rapture Ready - Rapture resource for the end times

The "rapture index" is usually fun.
 
Elvira said:
Not if you understand what it means...it is full of visions given to John and much of what he saw is symbolic...

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200003717
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I'll read that link when I have more time, but I've seen the general idea. The symbolism has been applied differently over the centuries. I think the "locusts" are still helicopters, but they weren't until those were invented and in common use.
 
cuban smokes said:
Babylon = the US & Washington DC (on the hill)

The Harlot = the US government (that has contaminated the planet)
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Babylon is the Harlot...what was Babylon known for? It's false religion...Babylon the Great, the Great Harlot represents false religion today...all those who claim to be following Christ but in reality commits spiritual fornication and is responsible for much bloodshed...the Wild Beast with 7 heads and 10 horns represents all the world powers down through history in opposition To God and His Kingdom...
 
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KevinKohler,
re: "Revelations, IMO, is a tool, in order to add urgency."

Any particular reason for adding an "s" at the end of Revelation?
 
It's nonsense on steroids. Isn't there a claim in that so-called "revelation" that stars are so small that they can fit in a person's hand? This is not a "revelation" for me, because I certainly did not receive any message directly from a divine source. Rather, this story is simply hearsay at best. Therefore, there is nothing regarding its origin, for me, that causes me to give it any merit. That leaves its value based upon its actual content, and it has none. As others have noted, the terms are so vague, that one can make up any interpretation one wants to fit the current data we have. It's like an inkblot test where one simply engages in unfounded projection.

The fact people are even concerned about such "revelations" shows that far too many people lack critical-thinking skills.
 
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