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Deism

You do like to proclaim yourself right, yet you can not back up your claims.

After all, you have yet to refute the point that Dr Rev Abercrombie, who was the minister at the Church that Washington attended with his wife about Washington's beliefs.
His own minster, in response to Dr Wilson's inquiry about Washington's beliefs specifically said that Washington was a Deist.

You haven't been able to refute the writings of Washington's own adopted daughter who lived with him.

In addition, you don't even have an accurate definition of what a deist believes.
 
Christian Inscription in George Washington's tomb:

Washingtons Tomb Inscription.jpg
 
He knows more about the founding fathers than you ever will. You can't even get Washington right.

And, he consistently lies about it. there is no going around that fact. Using him as a source is about the same as using Infowars as a source.
 
And?? So what?? That has nothing to do with what the man thought. People who knew him said he was a deist.

No one knew him better than his adopted daughter, Nelly. "George Washington’s adopted daughter, having spent twenty years of her life in his presence, declared that one might as well question Washington’s patriotism as question his Christianity."

"In Volume XII of these writings, (writer and historian Jared Sparks - 1789-1866) delved into the religious character of George Washington, and included numerous letters written by the friends, associates, and family of Washington which testified of his religious character. Based on that extensive evidence, Sparks concluded: "To say that he [George Washington] was not a Christian would be to impeach his sincerity and honesty."

https://wallbuilders.com/george-washington-christian/

You're busted, Ramoss.
 
No one knew him better than his adopted daughter, Nelly. "George Washington’s adopted daughter, having spent twenty years of her life in his presence, declared that one might as well question Washington’s patriotism as question his Christianity."

"In Volume XII of these writings, (writer and historian Jared Sparks - 1789-1866) delved into the religious character of George Washington, and included numerous letters written by the friends, associates, and family of Washington which testified of his religious character. Based on that extensive evidence, Sparks concluded: "To say that he [George Washington] was not a Christian would be to impeach his sincerity and honesty."

https://wallbuilders.com/george-washington-christian/

You're busted, Ramoss.

I see you immediately went back to David Barton. How very .. well, predictable. David Barton is not reliable.. and therefore your attempt to use him as a source is not acceptable.
 
I see you immediately went back to David Barton. How very .. well, predictable. David Barton is not reliable.. and therefore your attempt to use him as a source is not acceptable.

I don't give a rat's rear end about your "No No" denials. You've got zero credibility with that horse manure, and I've documented why. So get a new dog - that one of yours won't hunt.
 
I don't give a rat's rear end about your "No No" denials. You've got zero credibility with that horse manure, and I've documented why. So get a new dog - that one of yours won't hunt.

Because you said so?? And, you basically are 'documenting' it with a known liar. So, who do I listen to?? SOmeone who had their books not being published anymore due to a lack of confidence by the publisher, or people who actually have degrees in being historians?? That doesn't take much consideration to decide to go with the people who actually have education in the field.
 
Because you said so?? And, you basically are 'documenting' it with a known liar. So, who do I listen to?? SOmeone who had their books not being published anymore due to a lack of confidence by the publisher, or people who actually have degrees in being historians?? That doesn't take much consideration to decide to go with the people who actually have education in the field.

You're busted, Ramoss. Time and again your false charges and narratives are cast down. Yet still you flail away.

No need to stick around here for more of that nonsense.
 
You're busted, Ramoss. Time and again your false charges and narratives are cast down. Yet still you flail away.

No need to stick around here for more of that nonsense.

I love how you try to dismiss the points made, using a discredited source, and then rely on that source to show that that source isn't discredited. You know that is not rational or logical, don't you??
 
I love how you try to dismiss the points made, using a discredited source, and then rely on that source to show that that source isn't discredited. You know that is not rational or logical, don't you??

Flush
 
Gonzo Rodeo is, of course, wrong. Atheism in the 18th and 19th centuries was not punishable by death. Deism, the religious faith of an impersonal God who creates Creation and then walks away, was embraced by those of the Enlightenment thinks, atheists and believers in something. American leaders who had problematic issues with faith, such as Washington and Madison, used the language of Deism.

Jefferson's great contribution would the "humanizing" of the concept, that the Creator designed a universe in which a Supreme Moral Teacher, such as Jesus, would bring the love of service to others and charty to all to a cold world.

Jefferson Deism is enjoying a mild resurgence in the US.

Jefferson was not a deist.
 
In your dreams, Ramoss. Want to try for Jefferson now?

Well, you have totally failed with Washington, since you only rely on a source that is thoroughly discredited. That source had it's book on Jefferson removed by the publisher due to a 'lack of confidence of it's accuracy.'
 
Well, you have totally failed with Washington, since you only rely on a source that is thoroughly discredited. That source had it's book on Jefferson removed by the publisher due to a 'lack of confidence of it's accuracy.'

Nonsense. You failed on Washington. So now you're going to run away from claiming Jefferson was a deist?
 
Nonsense. You failed on Washington. So now you're going to run away from claiming Jefferson was a deist?

You have failed to demonstrate your point.. you continually used a failed source. But, do claim victory if that makes you feel better.
 
don't think some even understand what a Deist's beliefs to be yet claim so many Founders to be Deists when their very writings prove they squelch the basic Deist beliefs.

I also think some participating in this thread want to exterminate anything Christian in regard to the Founders for their own personal choice.

I also believe most Founders were of the Christian faith. But they were also tolerant of other faiths.

I also believe this country became in existence to fulfill the LORD's plan. It became great for that purpose.

Cheers!
 
The two principle beliefs of Deism were:

1. Although God created the universe, he did not intervene in the affairs of men and nations. He did not guide men into the founding of nations, or do miracles, or answer prayer, or provide providential protection to his followers.

2. God did not give divine / revealed revelation to man (i.e. the Bible, prophecy, etc.)

I think one would be hard pressed to find many our founding fathers who fit those descriptions.
 
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