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    Re: Deism

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    Yeah, it almost seems like animal intelligence is on a spectrum, and one animal is on the top. Doesn't it.
    Why shouldn't it be?

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    Re: Deism

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    Space travel isn't in the bible. Neither is the age of the Earth.

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    Re: Deism

    Quote Originally Posted by ataraxia View Post
    Your evidence has been thoroughly debunked among educated circles for over 2 centuries now. It's not because anyone is closed minded. It's not because they don't want to behave. Even among theologians who believe in God, no self respecting one tries to use those arguments anymore. They are trying some newer, more esoteric arguments (which still sound pretty fishy), but not your "evidence".

    https://www.amazon.com/Dialogues-Con...tural+religion
    Debunked?

    Hahahahaha. Show me where science debunked the "stretching" universe! Or, the Big Bang!

    You're the one who's been debunked! Gee, you can't even provide the accurate message from Feyn, whom you quoted! He "debunked" you. If you don't know the answer, don't make up a conclusion.

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    Re: Deism

    Quote Originally Posted by ataraxia View Post
    It seems to me to be analogous to how we create language to describe the world, and then wondering why the world so wondrously conforms to our language.
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    But there is a paradigm you seem to have that I am questioning. Sometimes the chicken and the egg question becomes a difficult one, and I guess this is one of those. Are mathematics and language things pre-existing in the universe which we find, or useful tools that we make up to deal with it? I tend to lean towards the latter. It's like making a bowl to hold your cereal, and then wondering why the bowl so perfectly designed to hold cereal. It seems to me unnecessary self mystification.[Bolding mine]
    Isn't it more like making a bowl to hold cereal, and then wondering why cereal can be held by a bowl? Does the accommodation tell us something about the nature of cereal?
    In your analogy the cereal is the world (cosmos, universe, etc.); the bowl, natural language or math. Have I got this straight?

    Question to me: In what sense does the accommodation between natural language or mathematics and the world reveal something about the nature of the world?
    Question to me: Does Occam's Razor discourage the above question?
    Question to me: In what sense, if any, can the world be said to be mathematical or linguistic in nature?

    Still thinking....
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    Re: Deism

    Quote Originally Posted by ataraxia View Post
    Your evidence has been thoroughly debunked among educated circles for over 2 centuries now. It's not because anyone is closed minded. It's not because they don't want to behave. Even among theologians who believe in God, no self respecting one tries to use those arguments anymore. They are trying some newer, more esoteric arguments (which still sound pretty fishy), but not your "evidence".

    https://www.amazon.com/Dialogues-Con...tural+religion
    EH?

    What's that you've linked? How is that related to me and my arguments?
    You don't understand your own link, don't you? Here's what it's all about, Axataria:


    Dialogues Concerning Natural Religion is a philosophical work by the Scottish philosopher David Hume.

    Through dialogue, three philosophers named Demea, Philo, and Cleanthes debate the nature of God's existence.

    Whether or not these names reference specific philosophers, ancient or otherwise, remains a topic of scholarly dispute. While all three agree that a god exists, they differ sharply in opinion on God's nature or attributes and how, or if, humankind can come to knowledge of a deity.

    In the Dialogues, Hume's characters debate a number of arguments for the existence of God, and arguments whose proponents believe through which we may come to know the nature of God. Such topics debated include the argument from design—for which Hume uses a house—and whether there is more suffering or good in the world (argument from evil).

    Hume started writing the Dialogues in 1750 but did not complete them until 1776, shortly before his death. They are based partly on Cicero's De Natura Deorum. The Dialogues were published posthumously in 1779, originally with neither the author's nor the publisher's name.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialog...tural_Religion



    I've got my own arguments, giving evidences....and I'm sure other believers have their own, too!

    Who sez no one use my kind of arguments anymore? Will you google, and see?



    You're doing exactly what other atheists do (because they can't fire back, being stumped inside a box and can't set a foot out of it) ........you're making up yarns of stories.

    Mind you, with scientists making up yarns of speculations about macroevolution - why shouldn't you?
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    Re: Deism

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    Why shouldn't it be?
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    Compelling arguments, bro.
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    Re: Deism

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    Compelling arguments, bro.
    Then, answer it. Why shouldn't it be?

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    Re: Deism

    Quote Originally Posted by tosca1 View Post
    Then, answer it. Why shouldn't it be?
    It's the spectrum of animal intelligence. You cannot make a non-religious argument that we should be excepted from the animal kingdom or treated differently in this regard. We are, in fact, animals.
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