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Sola Scriptura. Why?

How many churches do you know spreading the gospel first in Jewish communities? I don't know of any unless they are Messianic Jews.
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Only one...Jehovah's Witnesses preach to all with no bias or prejudice...
 
Elvira said:
Only one...Jehovah's Witnesses preach to all with no bias or prejudice...
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I don't know of any outreach of the Jehovah Witness to the Jewish communities. Not at all. They are scouring the suburbs these days one house at a time.
 
vesper said:
I don't know of any outreach of the Jehovah Witness to the Jewish communities. Not at all. They are scouring the suburbs these days one house at a time.
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Then you should examine their work more carefully because you would be wrong...
 
Elvira said:
Then you should examine their work more carefully because you would be wrong...
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I don't think so......lots of folks willing to make claims with nothing to stand on. Sorta like those who billed their houses on sand.


You like so many in this thread want to focus on just a few words of a post to throw your twist in the frail. You aren't interested in anything but pushing your own agenda.

You are not interested in giving any leadway to other Christians and their beliefs that have happened over the centuries.

When those who call themselves Christians and put more focus on their own walk with G-d then maybe we would have a homerun on this forum.

But I doubt that will happen because too many are too full of themselves.
 
vesper said:
I don't think so......lots of folks willing to make claims with nothing to stand on. Sorta like those who billed their houses on sand.


You like so many in this thread want to focus on just a few words of a post to throw your twist in the frail. You aren't interested in anything but pushing your own agenda.

You are not interested in giving any leadway to other Christians and their beliefs that have happened over the centuries.

When those who call themselves Christians and put more focus on their own walk with G-d then maybe we would have a homerun on this forum.

But I doubt that will happen because too many are too full of themselves.
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That is your prerogative and your opinion...I could say the same of you...
 
Elvira said:
That is your prerogative and your opinion...I could say the same of you...
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No it is fact. You failed to produce any evidence that Jehovah Witnesses were targeting Jewish communities. Yet you want them to be the one true follower of "Christians" that kept Christ's words...to preach the Gospel to the "Jew First".

You failed.

Please stop and all the others around here rushing in on any post cherring picking claiming they are right!

What this shows is a lack of love for others. It shows an absolute disrespect for those who do not believe as you do.

It shows a lack of faith in the Holy Spirit of what he can accomplish without you or a number of posters in this thread.

It shows lack of faith in the G-d many claim to believe in.

Bottom line, no matter what you think or anyone else, G-d's plan will be completed. And I have no doubt there will be many on That Day will have to answer for trying to thwart it.
 
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vesper said:
So I take it from reading your post that you are not Catholic? That you do not pray to Mary?

You know if I was a wicked person I could rip apart just about every denomination in the Christian faith for some of their practices. Nothing truly biblical about them but nevertheless there are several things that divide different sects in the Christian faith. So many "sects" these days have severed all ties to the Jewish roots of their faith.

Oh well. Does it matter? Yes. But what also matters is the condition of the heart that truly loves G-d and loves others which is the basis of all of G-d's teachings.

Someone who tears down another believer because they don't see things their way is a person IMHO who lacks love.

If you truly thought they were following a false teaching out of love a loving person would take it to the Lord in prayer instead of turning it into a tit for tat conversation on a public forum which does not give G-d any glory but actually is an embarrassment to Him.

I have Jews, Messianic Jews, Eastern Orthodox, Catholics, Lutherans, Nazarenes, Baptists, and Anglicans within my family. We don't spend time on differences in our belief system, we spend our energy on loving one another and praising G-d.

And so should it be for all.

Please don't sell the Holy Spirit short. If G-d is not pleased in the way one of his who worships him, the Holy Spirit will make that known without your help or anyone elses.
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I agree with most of your comment.

EXCEPT, we're in a forum!

Look at the title of this topic. Did you read the OP?

I have to use the large font, because for some reason.....posters are forgetting what the subject of this thread, is!




Keeping in mind that we're in a forum.....what makes you think it's only the poster that I think about?
What makes you think it's only for his/her benefit that I'm compelled to respond....and point out the dangers?


What makes you think that a forum is not an avenue being used by God? Or by Satan, for that matter?

How do you know that the forum isn't a ministry for some Christians?
That some Christians aren't being used by God?


If you see someone in danger of falling off a cliff......what do you do?
Do you drop down on your knees and pray to God to save the person..... ...or do you go to the person and get his/her attention to let her know she's near to falling off a cliff?

I can't help but be amused at that visual. I wonder if God would've rolled His eyes if I dropped on my knees and pray fervently, "MY dear God....the man is going to fall off the cliff if he keeps walking that way. Please save him." I think He might answer with a boom, "Woman, I gave you common sense, didn't I?" :lol:


What is the Bible for? If not as a point of reference, among other things?




If some Christians are sincerely bothered by the heated discussion such a subject is sure to bring......why didn't anyone intervene right away before the discussion even start?
Didn't they know how this would turn out?

Who do they think will participate in this subject - discussing, why Sola Scriptura? Atheists? Non-Christians? :lol:



You say "tit for tat." There's got to be a tat to get a tit, right?
So why is your comment directed only to me? Who am I in your view - the tit, or the tat?

I got labelled as someone with "judgemental animus" (for explaining where I'm coming from - in the very context of the title of this thread - I cited Scriptural verses)........and yet, you seem to imply I'm tearing people down? For what? For responding to the poster who started the name-calling, pointing it out to her that she's the one who's exhibiting the very thing she's "cautioning" us about? :lol:

There's my tat. So, why are you singling me out?


That, my dear vesper....makes you seem not really neutral about this?
 
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vesper said:
I don't think so......lots of folks willing to make claims with nothing to stand on. Sorta like those who billed their houses on sand.


You like so many in this thread want to focus on just a few words of a post to throw your twist in the frail. You aren't interested in anything but pushing your own agenda.
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Aren't those words kinda harsh?


Pardon me......but, how sure are you the JW isn't doing anything in the Jewish community?
Where do you base your claim?

All I did was google, and here it is:



Jehovah's Witnesses Under Attack In Israel

Levi is in no doubt as to why his apartment was vandalized. He is a Jehovah's Witness, and as a member of this group that goes from door to door hoping to convert people to their faith, he is unpopular among religious Jews who object to the Witnesses' proselytizing.

This is by no means the first assault on the roughly 1,000 Jehovah's Witnesses living in Israel. Church officials and members said an ultra-Orthodox Jewish group called Yad Lachim is behind the attacks, something Yad Lachim officials vehemently deny.
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Jehovah's Witnesses Under Attack In Israel - tribunedigital-sunsentinel



So, you're wrong. It's your claim that's apparently "built on sand." :roll:

You know.....our credibility as Christian apologists is damaged when we make negligent, and biased claims.
We have to be just.
 
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vesper said:
How about the next verse?

21For no prophecy was ever brought about through human initiative, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.…

You are now moving into prophecy and not just a personal relationship with G-d etc.

As I stated above.....stop selling the Holy Spirit short. The Holy Spirit doesn't need you or anyone else to speak to another's heart. The Lord wants you to focus on your heart and leave the rest to HIM.
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It's the Holy Spirit who'll do the converting.

But......as Christians, we were given the great commission, right?



Matthew 28
The Great Commission

16 Now the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain to which Jesus had directed them. 17 And when they saw him they worshiped him, but some doubted.
18 And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”



The same commission given to the apostles, is also given to us.
 
vesper said:
No it is fact. You failed to produce any evidence that Jehovah Witnesses were targeting Jewish communities. Yet you want them to be the one true follower of "Christians" that kept Christ's words...to preach the Gospel to the "Jew First".

You failed.

Please stop and all the others around here rushing in on any post cherring picking claiming they are right!

What this shows is a lack of love for others. It shows an absolute disrespect for those who do not believe as you do.

It shows a lack of faith in the Holy Spirit of what he can accomplish without you or a number of posters in this thread.

It shows lack of faith in the G-d many claim to believe in.

Bottom line, no matter what you think or anyone else, G-d's plan will be completed. And I have no doubt there will be many on That Day will have to answer for trying to thwart it.
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We already know that JW proselytize in the Jewish Community - in Israel, as a matter of fact! Can you think of a bigger Jewish community than that? Therefore, you're wrong in your claim.
Now, with that in mind....I have to question what you claim to know......


Just imagine how far-reaching the internet is all over the world!
What a convenient way to spread the Gospel, and teach. People who are shy or for any other reason, couldn't go out to the world to do their share.......now, they can even do so just sitting in-front of their computer. People gifted with debates and reason can participate, and be viewed online......apologists and philosophers like William Lane Craig, etc..,

Not everyone can be missionaries, or pastors, or aid workers.
We've got different talents and personalities, and God will use them to however He want to use them.
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How do you know technology - including the internet and discussions in forums - isn't part of God' plan?
How do you know Christian apologists, and Christians who use forums as their podium, isn't part of it?

Can you please enlighten us on that.
 
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Thank you for your comments and research, Toscal1...greatly appreciated...;)
 
Aberration said:
If you have no intention of discussing it, stop talking. Its kind of the whole point of a forum. If you just want your position validated by other Catholics, find a Catholic forum.

I used to be a Catholic. Just because you dont like a response does not mean your position is misunderstood or not respected.

You didnt answer the question. Does Scripture say anything about Mary being sinless? Jesus spoke against the Pharisees and Sadducees because they put their 'long standing tenets' above His Word.


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Your question was answered.

I need not justify any aspect of my faith with a scriptural reference, in other words your request for me to align my Catholic belief with your faith's requirements is where my disinterest is based. I am fine with debating but I am not asking you to justify everything based on the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

The reason I am on the forum is to seek to understand and be understood. I do not require you to justify your beliefs based on Catholic teaching since I assume, until proven otherwise, that you are a sincere person who has deeply held beliefs and I would not insult your intelligence by simply pronouncing that my dogma negates any or all aspects of your faith. If I did something like that it would be childish and shallow, two things I do my best to avoid.
 
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