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What does the Bible say about Gossip

Besides........Trump's proposals will do nothing to Medicare and expenses for those on Medicare.

No change.

:2wave:
 
RAMOSS said:
Yes, and have you actually understood what Trump's proposals would do with medicare and expenses for you in specific?
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Let me clarify m;y last post. I can tolerate liberals of course, but not as candidates for president. Hillary's views on guns, immigration and military were intolerable to me, and so were Obama's allowing illegal immigration, threats to ban guns and systematic gutting of the military.
 
JohnPaul said:
No, but I am a gun owner, a white American and a military veteran, so I can't tolerate liberals in any shape or form. And everyone I know hates Obamacare.
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Can you tolerate liberals who are also military veterans?
 
JohnPaul said:
Because the country has suffered enough under liberal domination.
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It isn't even a Democrat or Republican thing as much as it is an EVIL thing. The Devil has been trying to control Americans and the World, and we must unite & worship the Lord & follow his teachings.

Now more than ever, many should either take up priesthood, become a nun, a deacon, a lawyer, or more importantly become an activist / politician to ensure that God's commandments aren't forgotten in governments.
 
FreeThink said:
It isn't even a Democrat or Republican thing as much as it is an EVIL thing. The Devil has been trying to control Americans and the World, and we must unite & worship the Lord & follow his teachings.

Now more than ever, many should either take up priesthood, become a nun, a deacon, a lawyer, or more importantly become an activist / politician to ensure that God's commandments aren't forgotten in governments.
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Not quite what I meant. Are you serious, or was that sarcasm?
 
FreeThink said:
It isn't even a Democrat or Republican thing as much as it is an EVIL thing. The Devil has been trying to control Americans and the World, and we must unite & worship the Lord & follow his teachings.

Now more than ever, many should either take up priesthood, become a nun, a deacon, a lawyer, or more importantly become an activist / politician to ensure that God's commandments aren't forgotten in governments.
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It's not the job of a minister/rabbi/priest or deacon or nun to ensure that the Commandments aren't forgotten in governments.
 
RAMOSS said:
So, if his health care package passes, your insurence costs for medicaide go up 20% this upcoming year, and 750% in the next 10 (if you live that long). Happy about that?
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It didn't pass, so your pet and failing Obamacare is going to go scatting down the toilet as it collapses under its own futility. You voted for the people who passed that mess. Happy about that?
 
Logicman said:
It didn't pass, so your pet and failing Obamacare is going to go scatting down the toilet as it collapses under its own futility. You voted for the people who passed that mess. Happy about that?
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Deflection??? What does the ACA have anything to do what so ever about gossip?
 
vesper said:
What the Bible Says About Gossip?
Are you a gossip? Look we live in a social society where we share in each other’s lives. Gossip actually serves to break the trust of those the people around you. The Bible has a lot of important statements regarding gossip.
Everyone likes a good story, right? Well, not necessarily. What about the person the story is about? Does that person like you telling their story? Probably not. Spreading rumors only hurts others and destroys our credibility. Who is going to trust us with anything when they think we’ll tell everyone else?

Gossip is also a way we judge others, which really isn’t our job. G-d is in charge of judging people, not us. If you think about it, the busier we are, the less time we have to gossip. We no longer have the time to get wrapped up in someone else’s life.

Is gossip bred out of boredom? Could be... It may start as a simple conversation about people, and then escalates quickly. The Bible clearly tells us to do more than discussing other people’s lives.

Leviticus 19:16 – “Do not go about spreading slander among your people. Do not do anything that endangers your neighbor’s life. I am the Lord.” (NIV)
Proverbs 11:13 – “A gossip betrays a confidence, but a trustworthy man keeps a secret.” (NIV)
Romans 1:29 – “They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips.” (NIV)

1 Timothy 5:13 – “Besides, they get into the habit of being idle and going about from house to house. And not only do they become idlers but also gossips and busybodies, saying things they ought not to.” (NIV)
Matthew 7:1 – “Do not judge, or you too will be judged.” (NIV)
Proverbs 18:8 – “The words of a gossip are like choice morsels; they go down to a man’s inmost parts.” (NIV)

I just got off the phone with my auntie 84 who is still self sufficient. Still drives. Is active in her church and has a male friend for companionship. Yet she seems to know everyone's business in the retirement home. Tonight I called her out on it. She didn't much like it. She had proceeded to tell about a certain person who had the squad called on her two times last night at the retirement home and they ended up taking her to the hospital. Well instead of asking for prayer for a person in time of need, instead it was full of wrongdoings this person had committed. Mostly judgements of others.

First, if you catch yourself falling into gossip – stop. If you don’t pass on the gossip there is nowhere for it to go.Let the gossip and end with you and remember the Golden Rule – if you don’t want people to gossip about you, then don’t participate in gossip.
Proverbs 26:20 – “Without wood, a fire goes out; without gossip, a quarrel dies down.” (NIV)
Deuteronomy 13:14 – “Then you must inquire, probe and investigate it thoroughly.” (NIV)
Matthew 7:12 – “So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.” (NIV)
Ephesians 4:29 – “Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen.” (NIV)

I called her out but in the end it was civil.
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who cares what the bible says. if you do not know how to act morally without a book. you are hopeless.
 
rjay said:
who cares what the bible says. if you do not know how to act morally without a book. you are hopeless.
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Obviously, you do care. You care so much that you posted here just so you could offer a sad assumption and insult. Perhaps you should care less. ;)
 
RAMOSS said:
Now, if you read that letter in context , you will see that Paul is saying those 'shameful lusts' was a punishment from God for pagan practices. Paul, although obviously not liking the action, also thought it was a punishment, rather than the sin.
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Against my better judgement, I am constrained to point out that this is BS.

In addition to suppressing the Truth of God, If you had bothered to read to the end of the chapter you would see that Paul also points out "envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness, gossip, slander, hatred of God, insolence, haughtiness, boastfulness, invention of evil, disobedience to parents, foolishness, faithlessness, heartlessness, ruthlessness. "Though they know God’s righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them".

What Pagan ritual are those things from?

None. Stick to Judaism, you're no good at Christianity.
 
it's just me said:
Against my better judgement, I am constrained to point out that this is BS.

In addition to suppressing the Truth of God, If you had bothered to read to the end of the chapter you would see that Paul also points out "envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness, gossip, slander, hatred of God, insolence, haughtiness, boastfulness, invention of evil, disobedience to parents, foolishness, faithlessness, heartlessness, ruthlessness. "Though they know God’s righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them".

What Pagan ritual are those things from?

None. Stick to Judaism, you're no good at Christianity.
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Yes , he does..

I notice you are picking words out of the passage, and , well, not looking at the entire passage. Why are you ignoring the actual passage and just looking at various words?? Can you take Romans 1:18 to Romans 1:24, and explain, sentence by sentence, what you think Paul is talking about?? That would be the honest way for analysis.
 
RAMOSS said:
Yes , he does..

I notice you are picking words out of the passage, and , well, not looking at the entire passage. Why are you ignoring the actual passage and just looking at various words?? Can you take Romans 1:18 to Romans 1:24, and explain, sentence by sentence, what you think Paul is talking about?? That would be the honest way for analysis.
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I did that but for some reason I wasn't able to post it. I wonder why.

If you're so hot on honesty why don't you explain your "no true scotsman" argument about Paul and Jesus not being real Jews.
 
RAMOSS said:
Yes , he does..

I notice you are picking words out of the passage, and , well, not looking at the entire passage. Why are you ignoring the actual passage and just looking at various words?? Can you take Romans 1:18 to Romans 1:24, and explain, sentence by sentence, what you think Paul is talking about?? That would be the honest way for analysis.
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Nope, all of those words go together. Some men are not righteous, they do not live by faith, they do not recognize Him for who He is. They do not live by faith, they are unrighteous, they suppress the truth. That earns them His wrath, and He allows them to have what they want, from abhorrent sexual appetites to envy, murder, hatred, etc. etc. It's all right there. What pagan practices are you talking about?
 
it's just me said:
I did that but for some reason I wasn't able to post it. I wonder why.

If you're so hot on honesty why don't you explain your "no true scotsman" argument about Paul and Jesus not being real Jews.
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Well, I never said anything about Jesus what so ever not being a Jew. On the other hand,when it comes to Pauls claims and theology, it just doesn't add up. If he was Jewish, he was definitely not well versed in Jewish thought and tradition, and he had very non-Jewish attitudes. I built the case, and you have failed to counter it.
 
RAMOSS said:
Well, I never said anything about Jesus what so ever not being a Jew. On the other hand,when it comes to Pauls claims and theology, it just doesn't add up. If he was Jewish, he was definitely not well versed in Jewish thought and tradition, and he had very non-Jewish attitudes. I built the case, and you have failed to counter it.
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You haven't built any case at all, what you have done is say that because you don't like Paul's theology it must be because he is not a Jew. I'm not convinced. He was a Pharisee. How could he not be a Jew?

I say he had an epiphany, which is exactly what has been written about him.
 
it's just me said:
Nope, all of those words go together. Some men are not righteous, they do not live by faith, they do not recognize Him for who He is. They do not live by faith, they are unrighteous, they suppress the truth. That earns them His wrath, and He allows them to have what they want, from abhorrent sexual appetites to envy, murder, hatred, etc. etc. It's all right there. What pagan practices are you talking about?
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Let's look at the passages from Romans.. you know.. look at context.

Let's look at the passage just before talking about unnatural lusts

1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

THis is talking about 'an image made like a corruptible man'. This is specifically talking about the deification of such men as the Caesars, who were declared gods, and
bird and four legged beasts and creeping things'.. a dig at some of the Egyptian gods, and such roman gods as Fauna. In Paul's eyes, this is in direct conflict with the worship of 'the uncorruptible God'

Let's look at the set of passages

1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
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Now, what did God do for this. God gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts'. According to Paul , God has made them dishonor their own bodies, because they worshiped and served the creature more than the Creator. (I.e.... the corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things). Pagan to the core.. and the inflamed lusts were god's punishment upon them. ALl the rest of it was all due because God made them dishonor their own bodies, and thus they did lots of vile things. After all it says such things as

1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections:

1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;


Mind you, from the words of the letter, Paul didn't think those things were GOOD< but rather they were a punishment inflicted on people who did not properly worship the 'uncorruptible God.'
 
it's just me said:
You haven't built any case at all, what you have done is say that because you don't like Paul's theology it must be because he is not a Jew. I'm not convinced. He was a Pharisee. How could he not be a Jew?

I say he had an epiphany, which is exactly what has been written about him.
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Well, that is the claim. However, first of all, let's look at some of his claims. 1) He was from the tribe of Benjamin. He was from Tarsus, and it was rare even then for Jewish people who were not of the priestly class to know what tribe they were. However, Herod the Great, who was a convert, claimed to be adopted into the Tribe of Benjamin. This would go along with the Ebionite's claim he was a convert to woo the daughter of a high priest, and because bitter when she rejected him. His attitude to the law and ritual was highly unusual , because people who grew up in the tradition though of the rituals as comforting, while he described it as a burden. In his writings , he showed no knowledge of the theology that was put forth by the person who was supposed to be his teacher.

He might have been Jewish, but his knowledge of Judaism was extremely poor, and his attitudes were uncharacteristic of that time period for anyone of the Jewish faith.
 
RAMOSS said:
Let's look at the passages from Romans.. you know.. look at context.
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I have spent 20+ years looking at this in context.

Let's look at the passage just before talking about unnatural lusts

1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

THis is talking about 'an image made like a corruptible man'. This is specifically talking about the deification of such men as the Caesars, who were declared gods, and
bird and four legged beasts and creeping things'.. a dig at some of the Egyptian gods, and such roman gods as Fauna. In Paul's eyes, this is in direct conflict with the worship of 'the uncorruptible God'

Let's look at the set of passages



Now, what did God do for this. God gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts'. According to Paul , God has made them dishonor their own bodies, because they worshiped and served the creature more than the Creator. (I.e.... the corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things). Pagan to the core.. and the inflamed lusts were god's punishment upon them. ALl the rest of it was all due because God made them dishonor their own bodies, and thus they did lots of vile things. After all it says such things as

1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections:

1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;


Mind you, from the words of the letter, Paul didn't think those things were GOOD< but rather they were a punishment inflicted on people who did not properly worship the 'uncorruptible God.'
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Nope, don't think so. Paul thought that God allowed them free reign to pursue their lusts, whatever they were. Do you REALLY think God sentences you to be something He knows has to be condemned? What are you, a Calvinist? Are your sins God's fault? No. God won't stop you from sinning but you are ultimately responsible.
 
RAMOSS said:
His attitude to the law and ritual was highly unusual , because people who grew up in the tradition though of the rituals as comforting, while he described it as a burden.
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I guess that's why all of those first century Jews converted to Christianity, they thought the rituals were comforting.

Paul thought the law was a burden because it couldn't justify you.
 
it's just me said:
I have spent 20+ years looking at this in context.



Nope, don't think so. Paul thought that God allowed them free reign to pursue their lusts, whatever they were. Do you REALLY think God sentences you to be something He knows has to be condemned? What are you, a Calvinist? Are your sins God's fault? No. God won't stop you from sinning but you are ultimately responsible.
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Why, let's look at the actual phrase.... ,,.. in roman 1:26

:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
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The phrase 'For this cause, God gave them up unto vile affections' directly contradicts your claim that Paul thought God gave them free reign.
 
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