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Is mormonism christianity?

Is mormonism christianity?

  • yes

    Votes: 24 43.6%

  • no

    Votes: 26 47.3%

  • not sure

    Votes: 5 9.1%
  • Total voters
    55
Moot said:
True...Mormons weren't as violent as other Christian faiths....but they have blood on their hands, too. Aside from their belief in blood atonement....Brigham Young's body guard, Porter Rockwell was an assassin, the Danites aka Avenging Angels were terrorists and the infamous Mountain Meadow Massacre killed entire families that were migrating to California, save for a few children.
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By the standards of Christian violence that's a pretty feeble record. Sorry, Mormons, no offence intended.
 
ludin said:
so you didn't read thanks.

you failed to address the fact that the painting is meaningless when it comes to theological view points.
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You're not a theologian.

your problem not mine it was answered perfectly.

again painting is not a theological argument.

only after God had sex his wife. according to LDS presidents.
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It makes more sense than believing that God was a hermaphrodite and had sex with a virgin.


President Hinkley, the prophet and revelator of the Mormon church, has publicly declared that the Jesus of Mormonism and traditional Christianity are not the same. straight from the president of the LDS himself.
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Link?

no you have yet to post any theological evidence to support your argument paintings are not theological evidence.
I do it is called the bible.
it does not agree with joseph smith's flawed interpretation
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Again...you're not a theologian and the bible doesn't back up your claims..and you've provided zero evidence that it does. You sir, have handily lost this debate....so have a nice a day. :cool:
 
Sweden said:
By the standards of Christian violence that's a pretty feeble record. Sorry, Mormons, no offence intended.
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Yes, it is...but the point is that not even the LDS are immune from violence.
 
Yes. If you consider Baptists, Pentecostals, CoC, and others Christians...
 
ChezC3 said:
Yes. If you consider Baptists, Pentecostals, CoC, and others Christians...
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In my Catholic childhood I was taught that none of the above were Christians. That only we Catholics were actually Christians and that all the others were heretics who would be in hell for all eternity.
 
countryboy said:
Please explain.
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The starting point for all of them is the Life and Death and Resurrection of Jesus Christ. At base they use his teachings as the foundation for there's, then they all diverge in their opinions on the interpretation of scripture and add additional customs, beliefs, teachings, and traditions accordingly.

Mormon's actually have a better take on things in some matters than the others I believe. Mormon's (the non-hardline, fundie types of course) admit freely that when it comes to eschatology and ontology that it is a matter of opinion as no one really knows. There focus and firm belief lies in ethics. Their ethics might not be yours or mine, but it is where they feel the focus should be. In how we act and treat one another.


(and no I'm not a Mormon, though I have listened to sermons and read some books that have shown me some appealing aspects.)
 
Sweden said:
In my Catholic childhood I was taught that none of the above were Christians. That only we Catholics were actually Christians and that all the others were heretics who would be in hell for all eternity.
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You can be a heretic and still a Christian. There are many Church fathers who've been. (Origen, Tertullian, Augustine...)

Extra Ecclesia Nulla Salus is a position I go back and forth with...
 
ChezC3 said:
The starting point for all of them is the Life and Death and Resurrection of Jesus Christ. At base they use his teachings as the foundation for there's, then they all diverge in their opinions on the interpretation of scripture and add additional customs, beliefs, teachings, and traditions accordingly.

Mormon's actually have a better take on things in some matters than the others I believe. Mormon's (the non-hardline, fundie types of course) admit freely that when it comes to eschatology and ontology that it is a matter of opinion as no one really knows. There focus and firm belief lies in ethics. Their ethics might not be yours or mine, but it is where they feel the focus should be. In how we act and treat one another.


(and no I'm not a Mormon, though I have listened to sermons and read some books that have shown me some appealing aspects.)
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You really should study Mormonism a little more and discover what they believe about the nature of "Christ". And that's just for starters. ;)
 
countryboy said:
You really should study Mormonism a little more and discover what they believe about the nature of "Christ". And that's just for starters. ;)
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I have done a bit of studying, that's where the "ontology" comes in.

You have to remember that Arian's were Christians at one point and time, Gnostics too...

Might not adhere to an orthodoxy but then that opens up the question what is orthodoxy?
 
ChezC3 said:
You can be a heretic and still a Christian. There are many Church fathers who've been. (Origen, Tertullian, Augustine...)

Extra Ecclesia Nulla Salus is a position I go back and forth with...
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That's not what the nuns said. Do you really think you know better than an Irish peasant girl?
 
ChezC3 said:
I have done a bit of studying, that's where the "ontology" comes in.

You have to remember that Arian's were Christians at one point and time, Gnostics too...

Might not adhere to an orthodoxy but then that opens up the question what is orthodoxy?
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You don't believe the Deity of Christ, is essential Christian doctrine? Like I said, that's just for starters.
 
Moot said:
You're not a theologian.

It makes more sense than believing that God was a hermaphrodite and had sex with a virgin.


Link?

Again...you're not a theologian and the bible doesn't back up your claims..and you've provided zero evidence that it does. You sir, have handily lost this debate....so have a nice a day. :cool:
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yes you did lose you presented no argument at all except I say so.
unfortuantly we have evidence from previous Mormons that have posted here along with JW's
that support my orginal argument. you have nothing.

so yes you did lose hands down and yes have a nice day.
 
ChezC3 said:
Yes. If you consider Baptists, Pentecostals, CoC, and others Christians...
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they are Christians as they abide by the same core tenants. Mormons and JW's do not.
they also rely on faulty translated sources for their religious documents.

the book of Mormon has been proven to have faulty historical information in it.
there is still no evidence of these massive civilizations that supposedly lived in the US.

the JW bible has direct and just blatant mistranslations in it that have been soundly rejected by
pretty much all theological experts.
 
countryboy said:
You don't believe the Deity of Christ, is essential Christian doctrine? Like I said, that's just for starters.
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What are you saying exactly?

I'll tell you what...

The following excerpts are taken from an address to the Harvard Divinity School in March 2001 by Robert L. Millet, former dean of religious education at Brigham Young University. It is offered on Newsroom as a resource.

What Do We Believe About Jesus Christ?

Latter-day Saints are Christians on the basis of our doctrine, our defined relationship to Christ, our patterns of worship and our way of life.

What Do We Believe About Christ?

We believe Jesus is the Son of God, the Only Begotten Son in the flesh (John 3:16). We accept the prophetic declarations in the Old Testament that refer directly and powerfully to the coming of the Messiah, the Savior of all humankind. We believe that Jesus of Nazareth was and is the fulfillment of those prophecies.
We believe the accounts of Jesus’ life and ministry recorded in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John in the New Testament to be historical and truthful. For us the Jesus of history is indeed the Christ of faith. While we do not believe the Bible to be inerrant, complete or the final word of God, we accept the essential details of the Gospels and more particularly the divine witness of those men who walked and talked with Him or were mentored by His chosen apostles.

We believe that He was born of a virgin, Mary, in Bethlehem of Judea in what has come to be known as the meridian of time, the central point in salvation history. From His mother, Mary, Jesus inherited mortality, the capacity to feel the frustrations and ills of this world, including the capacity to die. We believe that Jesus was fully human in that He was subject to sickness, to pain and to temptation.

We believe Jesus is the Son of God the Father and as such inherited powers of godhood and divinity from His Father, including immortality, the capacity to live forever. While He walked the dusty road of Palestine as a man, He possessed the powers of a God and ministered as one having authority, including power over the elements and even power over life and death.
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ChezC3 said:
I have done a bit of studying, that's where the "ontology" comes in.

You have to remember that Arian's were Christians at one point and time, Gnostics too...

Might not adhere to an orthodoxy but then that opens up the question what is orthodoxy?
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Arianism has become the current JW movement. they denied the deity of Christ which was and is a core tenant of
the Christian faith.
 
ludin said:
they are Christians as they abide by the same core tenants. Mormons and JW's do not.
they also rely on faulty translated sources for their religious documents.

the book of Mormon has been proven to have faulty historical information in it.
there is still no evidence of these massive civilizations that supposedly lived in the US.

the JW bible has direct and just blatant mistranslations in it that have been soundly rejected by
pretty much all theological experts.
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Doesn't matter.

Please see my followup posts
 
ludin said:
Arianism has become the current JW movement. they denied the deity of Christ which was and is a core tenant of
the Christian faith.
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No. They place him as not equal to, of the same substance but of lesser stature and distinct from the Father.
 
Sweden said:
By the standards of Christian violence that's a pretty feeble record. Sorry, Mormons, no offence intended.
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It's still a very small religion, with a short history. Give them time.
 
ChezC3 said:
What are you saying exactly?

I'll tell you what...
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Yes, Mormons like to parse words to make it seem like they believe as orthodox Christians, but they do not. They deny the Diety of Jesus Christ. Do you really believe this describes The Messiah of the Bible? If so, you've certainly got some learning to do. ;) Nowhere in this statement does it say Jesus is God.

We believe Jesus is the Son of God the Father and as such inherited powers of godhood and divinity from His Father, including immortality, the capacity to live forever.
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What about all of these LDS doctrinal items? Do you have a problem with any of them?
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The Basics Of Mormonism - Christian Research Institute
 
ChezC3 said:
No. They place him as not equal to, of the same substance but of lesser stature and distinct from the Father.
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Which is in direct conflict Christianity.
Thank you for supporting my argument.
 
Christians are everyone who realize that they're works are filthy rags and worthless; that repentance is the ONLY way to Christ/Messiah; that Christ's birth to a virgin, sacrificial death on the cross, and resurrection from the dead is the ONLY way anyone can have eternal life; that one must accept Christ as his/her personal Savior, and that as a result ---- whosoever will receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit (which is the ONLY immersion that counts).

It doesn't matter what church one attends. It doesn't matter how one prays. It doesn't matter where one prays. It is all about gaining a PERSONAL relationship with GOD through the Lord Jesus Christ and thereby allowing the "christian" to become more and more like Christ.

The place this information originates is the WORD of GOD --- the Bible --- by means of the Holy Spirit

Religions that in anyway discredit the Bible are anti-Christ --- and that is an attempt to undermine CHRISTIANITY, the deity of CHRIST, and ultimately GOD's sovereignty.
 
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ludin said:
Which is in direct conflict Christianity.
Thank you for supporting my argument.
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No that's in direct conflict with Orthodoxy

:stop: with the silliness...
 
countryboy said:
Yes, Mormons like to parse words to make it seem like they believe as orthodox Christians, but they do not. They deny the Diety of Jesus Christ. Do you really believe this describes The Messiah of the Bible? If so, you've certainly got some learning to do. ;) Nowhere in this statement does it say Jesus is God.



What about all of these LDS doctrinal items? Do you have a problem with any of them?
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The Basics Of Mormonism - Christian Research Institute
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I never said they believe like others who subscribe more or less, in many parts much, much less, like little to none, to Christian orthodoxy and neither did they.

I do find it beyond hilarious that you throw out "parse words" in an accusatory fashion...:lol: The history of religion is all about the parsing of words.

You'll forgive me, won't you (It is the Christian thing to do) if I don't take Hank's version of LDS beliefs over LDS's version of things...
 
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