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Trump is apparently religious and not just pandering.

I am no Trump fan, but tomorrow being Inauguration Day, I wish Pres Trump the best of luck, and sincerely hope my gut instinct about Trump is wrong, but I dont think so.
 
According to Time, Evangilicals are far from holding their noses...

Donald Trump Inauguration: Evangelical Leaders Celebrate

You are misrepresenting what that article says. The article does not say that evangelicals support Trump, it merely describes a gathering of evangelical Trump supporters. Had it been an article about a gathering of African American Trump supporters, would you have claimed African Americans love Trump?

Here's what actual data says:
Pew: Most Evangelicals Will Vote Trump, But Not For Trump | Gleanings | ChristianityToday.com
The Real Reason White Evangelical Voters Support Donald Trump | Cognoscenti

Evangelicals who voted for Trump were generally driven by feelings such as those expressed here:
Why Voting for Donald Trump Is a Morally Good Choice - Wayne Grudem
Some of my Christian friends tell me they can’t in good conscience vote for Donald Trump because, when faced with a choice between “the lesser of two evils,” the morally right thing is to choose neither one. They recommend voting for a third-party or write-in candidate.
As a professor who has taught Christian ethics for 39 years, I think their analysis is incorrect. Now that Trump has won the GOP nomination, I think voting for Trump is a morally good choice.
 
You are misrepresenting what that article says. The article does not say that evangelicals support Trump, it merely describes a gathering of evangelical Trump supporters. Had it been an article about a gathering of African American Trump supporters, would you have claimed African Americans love Trump?

Here's what actual data says:
Pew: Most Evangelicals Will Vote Trump, But Not For Trump | Gleanings | ChristianityToday.com
The Real Reason White Evangelical Voters Support Donald Trump | Cognoscenti

Evangelicals who voted for Trump were generally driven by feelings such as those expressed here:
Why Voting for Donald Trump Is a Morally Good Choice - Wayne Grudem
Some of my Christian friends tell me they can’t in good conscience vote for Donald Trump because, when faced with a choice between “the lesser of two evils,” the morally right thing is to choose neither one. They recommend voting for a third-party or write-in candidate.
As a professor who has taught Christian ethics for 39 years, I think their analysis is incorrect. Now that Trump has won the GOP nomination, I think voting for Trump is a morally good choice.

Im misrepresenting a Church Leader saying

“If anyone would stand up and take credit for what happened, God would have reason to take them out—this was done by God,”

and another saying

“The enemy is not thrilled,” referencing Satan, and he prayed that “the slings and arrows” coming their way “would be rendered impotent and bounce off their shield of faith.”

And it's funny that you say Evangelicals don't support trump, just because they held a gathering consisting of evangelical Trump supporters. Right before you try some BS strawman about black people. You sir, are fishing with no bait.
 
Im misrepresenting a Church Leader saying

“If anyone would stand up and take credit for what happened, God would have reason to take them out—this was done by God,”

and another saying

“The enemy is not thrilled,” referencing Satan, and he prayed that “the slings and arrows” coming their way “would be rendered impotent and bounce off their shield of faith.”

And it's funny that you say Evangelicals don't support trump, just because they held a gathering consisting of evangelical Trump supporters. Right before you try some BS strawman about black people. You sir, are fishing with no bait.

I showed actual facts. The data shows that evangelicals did not support Trump but voted for him as a way to vote against Clinton. That's what the actual data shows. Yes, evangelicals exist who support Trump. But as a group, evangelicals voted for Trump as a lesser evil. Argue against the data using anecdotes if you'd like. But the data is clear and compelling.
 
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I showed actual facts. The data shows that evangelicals did not support Trump but voted for him as a way to vote against Clinton. That's what the actual data shows. Yes, evangelicals exist who support Trump. But as a group, evangelicals voted for Trump as a lesser evil. Argue against the data using anecdotes if you'd like. But the data is clear and compelling.

Listen man, If Evangelical leaders are preaching Trump is godly, evangelical followers are believing it. They are some of the most deceived people on the planet. A poll of 1600 of them in no way represents the entire group. And even if it did, evangelicals change their minds as easy as their pastor snaps his fingers. I mean these are the people paying for jets and super churches while children starve in their own country. They are one of the main reasons atheists have no respect for modern christianity. And in no way give the faith a good name.

Your mistaken in thinking that I think evangelicals are good people in any way shape or form. I completely believe they embrace Trump and his hateful Bs, and are only floating the lesser of two evils argument so actual christian believer's don't hang them out to dry like they deserve. And please, next time you want to try the statistics vs anecdotal approach don't give links to anecdotal presentations backed up by the same ****ing pew poll and act like it's conclusive. As evidenced by the Predator n chief himself, polls are not that reliable.

It would be easier to convince an evangelical that evolution is real, than it would be to convince me an evangelical is independent enough to form their own political opinion absent their celebrity preacher.

Go find someone who believes the world is only 6000 years old, you'll have more luck...
 
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Listen man, If Evangelical leaders are preaching Trump is godly, evangelical followers are believing it.

I could understand why you would assume that; it's not a bad hypothesis. But the next step after coming up with a hypothesis is to test it. When we do so by taking a look at the polling and election results (or by reading through the evangelical blogosphere, or reading their print publications, or any other test we might do), we find that the actual data doesn't match what we would expect to find if this were true. At that point, if we are rational people who genuinely care about the truth, we either adjust or discard the hypothesis.

They are some of the most deceived people on the planet. A poll of 1600 of them in no way represents the entire group.

Your evidence was an article about an inauguration party by evangelical pastors who supported Trump and numbered in the dozens. You felt that kind of anecdotal evidence was strong evidence, and somehow still feel that way. Yet, when presented with the kind of evidence that could actually pass muster; real polling and voting data, you dismiss it. Somehow, a professionally collected Pew research sample does not represent an entire group, but a few dozen evangelical pastors partying in a hotel does. I'm sorry but your approach to building your world-view leaves a lot to be desired.

They are one of the main reasons atheists have no respect for modern christianity. And in no way give the faith a good name.

At least you are being consistent. You aren't just stereotyping evangelicals, you are doing to the same to atheists. Well, newsflash, there are many atheists who respect Christianity; they probably even outnumber those who do not.

I completely believe the embrace Trump and his hateful Bs, and are only floating the lesser of two evils argument so actual christian believer's don't hang them out to dry like they deserve.

Yes, I see the pattern in your thought process already. You create a stereotype about people then filter everything through that. Evangelicals are hateful Trump supporters, atheists are anti-religious people with no respect for Christianity, etc...

And please, next time you want to try the statistics vs anecdotal approach don't give links to anecdotal presentations backed up by the same ****ing pew poll and act like it's conclusive. As evidenced by the Predator n chief himself, polls are not that reliable.

I provided actual statistics while you provided anecdotal evidence. That is a fact. Statistics are meaningful and widely accepted as evidence by the scientific community, anecdotes are not. You provided anecdotes. All of these are factual statements. You don't seem to like the fact that the stronger evidence contradicts your worldview, but the facts are still the facts whether you like them or not.

I didn't need to provide two links, one would have sufficed. But the first had a more complete presentation of the data while the second had more in-depth analysis.

It would be easier to convince an evangelical that evolution is real, than it would be to convince me an evangelical is independent enough to form their own political opinion absent their celebrity preacher.

I'm not sure why you would admit this. People usually prefer to hide their biases and deny that they are stereotyping. People like to pretend their view is based on reason, logic, and solid evidence. But here you are admitting your biases. You were even honest enough to compare your view to another religious view that people hold despite being presented contradictory evidence.

Thanks...I guess?

But it would actually be better if, upon realizing your bias, you took steps to correct it and be open to new evidence instead of doubling down on it.
 
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I could understand why you would assume that; it's not a bad hypothesis. But the next step after coming up with a hypothesis is to test it. When we do so by taking a look at the polling and election results (or by reading through the evangelical blogosphere, or reading their publications, or any other test we might do), we find that the actual data doesn't match what we would expect to find if this were true. At that point, if we are rational people who genuinely care about the truth, we recognize that the findings aren't what we expected and we either adjust or discard the hypothesis.



Your evidence was an article about an inauguration party by evangelicals who supported Trump and numbered in the dozens. You felt that kind of anecdotal evidence was strong evidence, and somehow still feel that way. Yet, when presented with the kind of evidence that could actually pass muster; real polling and voting data, you dismiss it. Somehow, a professionally collected Pew research sample does not represent an entire group, but a few dozen evangelical pastors partying in a hotel does. I'm sorry but your approach to building your world-view leaves a lot to be desired.



You also don't seem to be aware that the televangelist crowd are a tiny subset of evangelicalism.



At least you are being consistent. You aren't just stereotyping evangelicals, you are doing to the same to atheists. Well, newsflash, there are many atheists who respect Christianity; they probably even outnumber those who do not (though I don't care enough to look it up).



I never made that claim. This is yet another assumption you quickly jumped to sans evidence.



Yes, I see the pattern in your thought process already. You create a stereotype about people then filter everything through that. Evangelicals are hateful Trump supporters, atheists are anti-religious people with no respect for Christianity, etc...



I provided actual statistics while you provided anecdotal evidence. That is a fact. Statistics are meaningful and widely accepted as evidence by the scientific community, anecdotes are not. You provided anecdotes. All of these are factual statements.



I'm not sure why you would admit this. Usually, people prefer to hide their biases and deny that they are stereotyping. People like to pretend their view is based on reason, logic, and solid evidence. But here you are admitting your biases. Thanks, I guess? But it would actually be better if, upon realizing your bias, you took steps to correct it and be open to new evidence instead of doubling down on it.

you think I'm trying to prove something to you is your mistake, your trying to prove something to me, which I reject the premise of and the very weak "evidence" you provide. Burden of proof is not on me. As my op and reason for this thread was to compare belief systems, not make an assertion about a group of people. The fact is, evangelical leaders have been singing Trumps praise in the public eye, I give not two ****s what the people they are preaching to believes. The premise is, how can those evangelicals that believe him godly justify that belief when their core beliefs are not similar. I provided evidence of evangelicals who believe that. That's all I needed to do show that some do, one would be enough for me to ask my question, it was your dumbass straw man that asserted all evangelicals think a certain way about Trump. It is my bias that happens to think that they prob do, good thing my original premise didn't make that assumption when it asked the question "does this worry any evangelical that considered him a man of faith?" Your strawman was not worth serious debate so I gave it none.

Do I have a poor opinion of all Evangelicals? Yes. Is it because of their support of Trump? No. The fact is if you want to get into a statistics fight on why they Have terrible politics thats' a different conversation. One that you won't be able to win with a single pew study harped on with anecdotal drivel by christian websites. Now, if you want to make a comparison of Word of Faith, with Evangelicals based on beliefs you are welcome to continue. If not, be gone.
 
you think I'm trying to prove something to you is your mistake, your trying to prove something to me, which I reject the premise of and the very weak "evidence" you provide.

Whether you reject it or not, the fact remains I provided actual statistical evidence. I could have provided more if I felt like it. There are countless articles on Trump in the evangelical blogosphere, there are countless articles in the evangelical press, there are countless sermons I could have pulled from. I could easily have painted a fuller picture of the discussions that went on in the evangelical community had I felt like it. Instead I went with the hard evidence and just one article from an evangelical leader to give you a taste of what the discussions about Trump in the evangelical world were like.

You provided anecdotal evidence. The evidence you provided, in addition to being anecdotal, doesn't even present the picture you were hoping for, it shows merely that there exist evangelicals who support Trump, it doesn't even attempt to claim that evangelicals in general support Trump. So, all you really have is a "gut feeling". Feel free to reject real evidence if you'd like, I'm confident that others who read this and don't have the biases you do will weigh the evidence provided appropriately.

That's all I needed to do show that some do, one would be enough for me to ask my question, it was your dumbass straw man that asserted all evangelicals think a certain way about Trump.

Not at all. I asserted that evangelicals in general voted against Clinton and did not support Trump. You could have said something like "that may be true, but I'm interested in those who did support him." Instead you decided to prove that I was wrong and...well we all saw how that turned out. Here you are resorting to name-calling just two posts in.

It is my bias that happens to think that they prob do, good thing my original premise didn't make that assumption when it asked the question "does this worry any evangelical that considered him a man of faith?" Your strawman was not worth serious debate so I gave it none.

Straw man does not mean what you seem to think it means.

If you posted about evidence against the flat Earth theory, I might respond with "you do know that there's really only a handful of people who believe the Earth is flat, right?" and you might respond "Of course, I still find it interesting to debate..." and that would be that. That's what I was doing here, just bringing attention to the fact that your post addresses people who practically don't exist (evangelical Trump supporters who believe him to be an evangelical). Instead of acknowledging that and moving on, YOU decided to try to prove that I am wrong and that evangelicals are very eager supporters of Trump.

Do I have a poor opinion of all Evangelicals? Yes. Is it because of their support of Trump? No. The fact is if you want to get into a statistics fight on why they Have terrible politics thats' a different conversation. One that you won't be able to win with a single pew study harped on with anecdotal drivel by christian websites. Now, if you want to make a comparison of Word of Faith, with Evangelicals based on beliefs you are welcome to continue. If not, be gone.

That's a new one to me. Running away from a lost cause...aggressively. As if by saying "be gone" everyone reading this will forget what they saw happen here.
 
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After reading that I bolded in the very first sentence of the first paragraph of the article, I see no reason to read farther!

"America may not have an official religion, but you'd have to be crazy to think that politicians aren't expected to fit in a certain spiritual mold. While there might be a few exceptions, like JFK's Catholicism, Mitt Romney's Mormonism, and Barack Obama's dastardly secret Muslim agenda,"

Exactly my sentiment...
 
Granted its a crackpot denomination....

The Creepy Religion That Explains All Of Trump's Actions

I had never heard of this Prosperity Gospel or Word of Faith, before reading this. But apparently he's been involved with them for quite some time.

To me one denomination is just as silly as another, so I have to ask the mainstream christians what their views on this ideology are. They've been called a cult by some theologians. Is the Don a member if a Cult?

Before anyone calls bs, I checked the articles sources they seem legite.

Does this worry any Evangelical that voted for him thinking him a man of Faith similar to theirs?

More fake news.

Do people even research stuff before they share/post non-sense?

The Trump family was originally Lutherans in Germany, but his mother was Presbyterian (British) & his parents were married in a Presbyterian church in 1936. As a child, President Donald J. Trump attended Sunday School at the First Presbyterian Church in Jamaica, Queens, and had his confirmation there. Trump, who is Presbyterian (and has been his entire life), did idolize a man named Peale whom wrote books such as the power of positive thinking. That doesn't make our President not a Presbyterian or some weird faith.
 
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