Finding Religion

calamity said:

So, then you do claim to know god does not exist. Why be pedantic and *****foot about? Just admit it then. And wear that arrogance hat with self-congratulatory pride.

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No i claim nothing about a god. No more than i would make any such claim about superman. Why would i bother too when i have absolutely no reason to see this other than fiction. To make any claim of a god, existing or otherwise is to imply a possibility of one.

And as such i no agreement withr those who make any claim one does or even suggests that it may be a possibility no matter how small or that there might be something but we just do not know what it is.

If we do not know, and we do not, then what right do you have to create fictional characters in order to answer what you do not know?

soylentgreen said:

No i claim nothing about a god. No more than i would make any such claim about superman. Why would i bother too when i have absolutely no reason to see this other than fiction. To make any claim of a god, existing or otherwise is to imply a possibility of one.

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That is a claim.

calamity said:

That is a claim.

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Yes, correct my claim, which is other than the silly claim theists would love atheists to make because it easy for theists to point out it is wrong, or just simply look smug and say prove it.

My claim is i have yet to see even one good reason to consider a god let alone consider a gods existence. And yes, in case you are wondering, the logical conclusion from my claim is there is no god, hence the atheism rather than the gnostic.

And if it comes down to the even more silly counter that i must now prove my claim then the proof would be in whether anyone can give a good reason. So the onus is still upon the theist not me.

soylentgreen said:

Yes, correct my claim, which is other than the silly claim theists would love atheists to make because it easy for theists to point out it is wrong, or just simply look smug and say prove it.

My claim is i have yet to see even one good reason to consider a god let alone consider a gods existence. And yes, in case you are wondering, the logical conclusion from my claim is there is no god, hence the atheism rather than the gnostic.

And if it comes down to the even more silly counter that i must now prove my claim then the proof would be in whether anyone can give a good reason. So the onus is still upon the theist not me.

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Here's what I don't quite understand. I post a thread which is basically a cute little positive story showing how a couple of 50 years finally landed on the same page when one of them found some religion. Why you ****ting on the thread, Broh?

Lots of people find religion. And, they can find it in a wide variety of ways: illness, jail, death of a loved one, lost car keys, what the **** ever... So, why get your panties in a bunch when some 70-year old guy finds his religion by observing how calmly his wife handles a crisis because she has it? Hell, my question would be wtf took him so long?


I learned that trick from wife number 1 over 25 years ago. And, I'm still not religious--but I certainly know the trick . Maybe I am just a quick study. So, here's a bit of advice. Learn from Calamity, Cuz.

soylentgreen said:

Right! The I can't figure it out so i will not make a decision position. That's logical?

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Yes. Are you suggesting science regularly dismisses ideas it cannot test?


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calamity said:

Here's what I don't quite understand. I post a thread which is basically a cute little positive story showing how a couple of 50 years finally landed on the same page when one of them found some religion. Why you ****ting on the thread, Broh?

Lots of people find religion. And, they can find it in a wide variety of ways: illness, jail, death of a loved one, lost car keys, what the **** ever... So, why get your panties in a bunch when some 70-year old guy finds his religion by observing how calmly his wife handles a crisis because she has it? Hell, my question would be wtf took him so long?


I learned that trick from wife number 1 over 25 years ago. And, I'm still not religious--but I certainly know the trick . Maybe I am just a quick study. So, here's a bit of advice. Learn from Calamity, Cuz.

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Because your original story was nothing more than just another amusing story of how any deed no matter dishonest, if it sucks someone into religion then the religious will like it. It took a while for you to put in an addendum that only did the job of taking away the parable element that you tried to build into the story.



I would of given up on this awhile ago, i had made my point and needed nothing else but your continuous claim of being an atheist intrigues me now. Perhaps you might get around to actually explaining that contradiction. Or not in case goodbye and thanks for talk.

blackjack50 said:

Yes. Are you suggesting science regularly dismisses ideas it cannot test?


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Not all fiction is deserving of a scientific look at.

And no, science is not really necessary until something appears that can actually be measured. So far nothing has so science has nothing to do with this fiction.

soylentgreen said:

Because your original story was nothing more than just another amusing story of how any deed no matter dishonest,

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See, your being dishonest here, yourself, because it has been explained to you several times that deceit was not involved at all. Everything was on the up and up.

if it sucks someone into religion then the religious will like it. It took a while for you to put in an addendum that only did the job of taking away the parable element that you tried to build into the story.

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Most people didn't read all that suspicious crap into the original story. Hence, the reason I never considered adding another sentence in the OP to clarify. It's something which most people assumed at the outset.

I would of given up on this awhile ago, i had made my point and needed nothing else but your continuous claim of being an atheist intrigues me now. Perhaps you might get around to actually explaining that contradiction. Or not in case goodbye and thanks for talk.

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I am an atheist.

calamity said:

See, your being dishonest here, yourself, because it has been explained to you several times that deceit was not involved at all. Everything was on the up and up.

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No, i said your original story not the subsequent additions you made. And i did back off once you brought those changes to my attention.

Most people didn't read all that suspicious crap into the original story. Hence, the reason I never considered adding another sentence in the OP to clarify. It's something which most people assumed at the outset.

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I would say either most people were theists expressing the usual don't care how you convert them as long as you convert them attitude or they're also this weird kind of atheism you seem to be displaying.

I am an atheist.

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Not for me to deny that. I just do not get how you are an atheist. Feeding the theists with a story like that is not what i would recognise as atheism.

soylentgreen said:

No, i said your original story not the subsequent additions you made. And i did back off once you brought those changes to my attention.


I would say either most people were theists expressing the usual don't care how you convert them as long as you convert them attitude or they're also this weird kind of atheism you seem to be displaying.

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It's an interesting experience worth sharing.

Weird kind of atheism: It's actually wise to find ways to reduce stress. Most people who know how to do it instantly do so through some form of ritual: meditation, prayer, chants, etc. No hocus pocus involved. Just mind tricks.

Not for me to deny that. I just do not get how you are an atheist. Feeding the theists with a story like that is not what i would recognise as atheism.

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You appear to be very closed-minded. Not all atheists stand firm on the shaky ground of deity denial. They just don't believe. You seem to go a step beyond that: ridiculing those who do believe or see the concept of deities as a gray area. It's that binary thinking thing I pointed out earlier. You're trapped in it.

calamity said:

It's an interesting experience worth sharing.

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I do not disagree, i did not complain about you writing about the experience just how it was written.

Weird kind of atheism: It's actually wise to find ways to reduce stress.

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I do not believe one of the benefits of atheism is that it reduces stress.

Most people who know how to do it instantly do so through some form of ritual: meditation, prayer, chants, etc. No hocus pocus involved. Just mind tricks.

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Very true, so you wrote about a hocus pocus way of reducing stress.

You appear to be very closed-minded. Not all atheists stand firm on the shaky ground of deity denial.

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Not at all i am very aware of the levels of atheism. I believe i have already said that i usually start as an ignostic, and i did point out that in some cases i am an indifferent atheist and some a militant atheist.
Atheist itself means nothing more than not a belief. One has to put the descriptive, weak, indifferent , militant , etc. in front of the word in order to go from an attitude to action.

They just don't believe. You seem to go a step beyond that: ridiculing those who do believe or see the concept of deities as a gray area. It's that binary thinking thing I pointed out earlier. You're trapped in it.

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And ridicule?? Not always. But yes, most times all that religion deserves is ridicule. Not to mention ridicule is the biggest gun in an atheist armory. Theists have no defense against it.

But then on the other hand i also said that i had no problem at all with the new attitude and reading of the bible that supports homosexuality. This is more a case of you trying to pigeon hole me rather than i am narrow minded.

soylentgreen said:

I do not disagree, i did not complain about you writing about the experience just how it was written.


I do not believe one of the benefits of atheism is that it reduces stress.

Very true, so you wrote about a hocus pocus way of reducing stress.

Not at all i am very aware of the levels of atheism. I believe i have already said that i usually start as an ignostic, and i did point out that in some cases i am an indifferent atheist and some a militant atheist.
Atheist itself means nothing more than not a belief. One has to put the descriptive, weak, indifferent , militant , etc. in front of the word in order to go from an attitude to action.


And ridicule?? Not always. But yes, most times all that religion deserves is ridicule. Not to mention ridicule is the biggest gun in an atheist armory. Theists have no defense against it.

But then on the other hand i also said that i had no problem at all with the new attitude and reading of the bible that supports homosexuality. This is more a case of you trying to pigeon hole me rather than i am narrow minded.

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Well, you can keep your stress and hike on out of the religious discussion thread.

calamity said:

Well, you can keep your stress and hike on out of the religious discussion thread.

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I already had said goodbye you are the one who kept it going. Don't complain if i am polite enough to give an answer your responses.